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The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by steveBK123 »

eduction wrote: post #163

The comments here are funny. You have a bunch of people saying folks are fleeing NYC due to crime. Then other people saying folks are fleeing due to housing shortage and rents going up. It's like the old restaurant line, "no one goes there anymore, it's too crowded." Keep in mind, crime has risen for each of three years through 2022, and while that trend is worrisome, the actual number of crimes is only back up to 20…

Yeah I mean, covid was a good inflection point where it made people re-evaluate their lives and broke their decision inertia.

NYC is a ton of fun, but it is also, to sum it up in one word - hard.

People who have lived there 10/20/etc years and not lived elsewhere underestimate how much easier life outside the 5 boroughs can be.

Some scoff at NYC people owning a weekend/vacation home, but the funny thing is due to costs... it's not just the 1%.

I have had plenty of friends who rented in city while owning their weekend home. I have friends that did the math and realized a car + vacation home 2x the size of their apartment was cheaper than selling their 2bed & buying a 3bed, etc.

The crux of the problem is that there isn't a ton of housing and you are competing with the global 1%. In my previous building there used to be a guy upstairs who talked about the Ferraris he kept at his home in London. My current building has a number of trust fund kids including an under-25 year old child of petrostate president/PM living in the biggest, best units upstairs.

I basically make good FAANG money, but these people are another dimension, and they are everywhere in NYC. This effect goes down every level of the economic ladder where you are competing for housing with people who you would not normally be competing elsewhere.

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by giantg2 »

scarmig wrote: post #153
wing-_-nuts wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

covid spread through kids like wildfire, often via asymptomatic infections which then spread to, and killed, elderly who just wanted to see their grandkids. The amount of pushback these measures got, when we were literally just trying to save lives and prevent disability through long covid absolutely staggers the mind and erodes my faith in humanity.

On the other hand, there's a deep learning deficit that that generation will never recover from. That has costs too, and people trapped in a bad economic situation because of shitty schooling have reduced lifespans as well.

I agree that longterm closure of schools was a bad move and created many problems. However, I do think to be fair we need to look at some of the other issues at play regarding education. The system was barely working to begin with. It seems that countries with better school systems (or educational cultures), or just individual schools/districts here faired much better. The broken system can't play catchup if it was struggling to meet the basic education to begin with.

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by gen220 »

locopati wrote: post #188

moved out in 2018 after 18 years because i worked remotely and my mental health was frazzled. for much less rent, i ended up in a Catskills cabin in the woods by a stream, a short drive from any number of beautiful trails. bonus points for the luck of already being out of the city when the pandemic happened.

Just curious, how did you find the rental? i.e. through Zillow / the regular listings culprits or was it something more localized?

I've been interested in the idea for years, but I haven't seen any on Zillow that match the intersection of price accommodations, and I'm wondering if I'm looking in the wrong place.

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by busterarm »

phpisthebest wrote: post #195
busterarm wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reported crimes. Keep in mind NYPD had its budget cut by billions of dollars and lost record numbers of officers over the same period. Part of accurate crime statistics is actually finding an officer to report a crime to and then them giving you the time of day. And that's if you haven't given up on the city already and aren't "mindin' yo own business". I lived in NYC from 1984 through 2021 and I can tell you unequiv…

Yea, the way big cities seem to want to resolve the crime problem is to simply stop responding to crime calls, if no one can report a crime the crime never happened right??? SanFran seems to have this policy when it comes to shoplifting, never mind your eyes, or the video, since the police dept has a policy to never respond to retail theft, retail theft crimes are dropping... it is like magic.

Well, in SanFran, the retail businesses just closed up and left.

...which is also starting to happen in NYC.

Can't shoplift from stores if they don't exist.

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by pierat »

csomar wrote: post #40
pierat wrote: post #8

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Covid certainly didn't wipe out %5 or anywhere near that. That's roughly 400 million people if scaled to the whole world.

Point to the phrase or sentence where I said ALL of 5.3% declined was all "covid deaths", or all "moving away".

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by giantg2 »

alex_lav wrote: post #194
wing-_-nuts wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

covid spread through kids like wildfire, often via asymptomatic infections which then spread to, and killed, elderly who just wanted to see their grandkids. The amount of pushback these measures got, when we were literally just trying to save lives and prevent disability through long covid absolutely staggers the mind and erodes my faith in humanity.

It's funny to see these bickerings still happening. It was a no-win situation. Trying to save lives inflicted measurable harm. Doing nothing would also inflict measurable harm. Either side presenting their position as the "correct" position is just biased. I would also assert that tying your faith in humanity to an unwinnable situation is probably not the correct move, but YMMV.

Perhaps the problem they have is that one was not allowed to choose which measurable harm was acceptable to themselves in the no-win situation.

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by abathur »

parineum wrote: post #123
wing-_-nuts wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

covid spread through kids like wildfire, often via asymptomatic infections which then spread to, and killed, elderly who just wanted to see their grandkids. The amount of pushback these measures got, when we were literally just trying to save lives and prevent disability through long covid absolutely staggers the mind and erodes my faith in humanity.

> covid spread through kids like wildfire, often via asymptomatic infections which then spread to, and killed, elderly who just wanted to see their grandkids. If only there was a way we could stop the elderly from contracting covid from their grandkids that didn't involve isolating children from social interaction and learning at the most crucial periods of their development. I have an idea, maybe the people most at…

There are at least hundreds of thousands of teachers in high-risk age groups. I can't imagine any solutions to this logistical problem that wouldn't also significantly affect learning outcomes.

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by hervature »

pierat wrote: post #154
saalweachter wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Only around 0.4% of the city's population died of COVID, as of March 2023.

Every government has a justification to minimize Covid deaths. And that quote is the 'official death toll'. My guess is this is grossly underreported. My original idea to track deaths was to compare before-covid year-to-year to during and after. Using death records would sidestep the 'died from covid' and 'died from covid but written down as something else'. But hot damn. My post is at -4. Sure seems like people real…

I think you may be getting downvoted for a couple of reasons. First, your "original idea" is called excess deaths and it has been reported since the beginning of the pandemic [1]. The entire state of NY had 42k excess deaths. If all these deaths came form NYC, that would be 0.5% of the population which is in line with the GP. Which brings us to the point of why some people are downvoting. Some people believe that COVID deaths were over reported, not under reported.

[1] - https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm

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