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Apple to halt Apple Watch Series 9 and Ultra 2 sales in the US this week

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Post by lijok »

mort96 wrote: post #177
Zambyte wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is true of all "intellectual" "property"

There is some nuance here. I like trademarks which disallow other companies than Apple from selling products called “Apple Watch” or other companies than Samsung from selling “Samsung Galaxy S” series phones. And I like that if I make a piece of music or some art or whatever, some giant company can’t just grab that and use it for profit without making some arrangement with me. But intellectual property goes way too f…

> And I like that if I make a piece of music or some art or whatever, some giant company can’t just grab that and use it for profit without making some arrangement with me.

You’re describing intellectual property..

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Post by hn_throwaway_99 »

peyton wrote: post #205
JohnFen wrote: post #187

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What is your definition of "patent trolling"?

I think using the ITC as the forum of choice for patent disputes qualifies. I can’t see why the courts can’t handle this. The federal agency that makes sure the windshield wiper fluid I put in my car is legit isn’t really set up for evaluating complex intellectual property disputes on medical devices.

Determining if imported products infringe on domestic US patents is literally one of the primary purposes of the ITC.

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Post by huytersd »

mort96 wrote: post #172

Patents are universally stifling innovation in pretty much every area of tech. They need to die. EDIT: And to be clear, this isn’t a case of just having to pay the people who developed the tech for a license. The patent trolls who hold the license aren’t willing to sell Apple a license, unless Apple switches to use their hardware or partner with them to work on Apple’s hardware. There is no excuse. Markets can’t work…

Hard disagree. If you come up with a good new idea you should be able to get rich off of it.

Re: Apple to halt Apple Watch Series 9 and Ultra 2 sales in the US this week

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Post by Zambyte »

mort96 wrote: post #177
Zambyte wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is true of all "intellectual" "property"

There is some nuance here. I like trademarks which disallow other companies than Apple from selling products called “Apple Watch” or other companies than Samsung from selling “Samsung Galaxy S” series phones. And I like that if I make a piece of music or some art or whatever, some giant company can’t just grab that and use it for profit without making some arrangement with me. But intellectual property goes way too f…

I carefully and intentionally included trademark. And copyright.

> I like trademarks which disallow other companies than Apple from selling products called “Apple Watch” or other companies than Samsung from selling “Samsung Galaxy S” series phones.

Why? It only serves companies to help them become larger companies. If you think it helps customers understand what they're buying, consider: customers are basically oblivious to what they are buying when it comes to technology. If that's actually the problem you want to solve, the solutiom to that is "technology nutrition facts" and spec sheets by law, not trademark.

> And I like that if I make a piece of music or some art or whatever, some giant company can’t just grab that and use it for profit without making some arrangement with me.

What're you going to do about it if they do? Sue Disney? Doesn't seem like you'll get a lot out of that.

Bonus points for additionally eliminating propriety software at the same time.

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Post by ceejayoz »

xoranth wrote: post #207
ceejayoz wrote: post #91

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Your link doesn't support that assertion. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindenburg_Research would be out of business if that business model was illegal. You can short all you like; you can't be deceptive/fraudulent about it.

Hindenburg doesn't short in order to drive down the price. Hindenburg compiles and releases information they believe to be truthful about a company, which they shorted beforehand in order to profit from the information. What I am talking about is sending orders only to cause a certain reaction (e.g. by convincing momentum traders that there is momentum in a certain direction).

You can short for the sake of shorting. You can’t fake volume with wash trading. Very different things.

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Post by moogly »

mort96 wrote: post #172

Patents are universally stifling innovation in pretty much every area of tech. They need to die. EDIT: And to be clear, this isn’t a case of just having to pay the people who developed the tech for a license. The patent trolls who hold the license aren’t willing to sell Apple a license, unless Apple switches to use their hardware or partner with them to work on Apple’s hardware. There is no excuse. Markets can’t work…

Poor Apple. Oh wait... Two words: "rounded corners".

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Post by Uptrenda »

I wish there was a functional alternative to patents. It seems like if you have a good idea there should be some protections afforded to you to use it. At the very least attribution. But who can afford the cost of registering patents and then defending them? The system is not setup in a way that fosters innovation. It would be really cool if you truly could own an idea for some (sane) period.

It would be cool to build up an intellectual portfolio of stuff that you've thought of uniquely apart from everyone else. To me this would be like (1) a unique challenge of designing novel processes, systems, concepts (2) the reward of having a new IP which would be useful for your portfolio (and may lead to future business opportunities) (3) incentivising people to think more since intellectual work could be 'owned' and the result monetized (either directly or indirectly.)

But IMO - it would have to be cheap so that ideas could easily be registered; efficient - so that authorship could be managed fast (or revoked if 'prior art' is found); and those falsely claiming authorship could be pursed without the patent owners having to act as police for their IP. Ideally, registration fees would cover attorney costs, patent research, and policing the patents (am I being naïve.) Maybe a revenue sharing agreement between patent-owners back into the system could even make patent registrations free which would be massive? Governments could also help back this if it made more jobs (which seems possible to me.)

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Post by aaomidi »

mort96 wrote: post #172

Patents are universally stifling innovation in pretty much every area of tech. They need to die. EDIT: And to be clear, this isn’t a case of just having to pay the people who developed the tech for a license. The patent trolls who hold the license aren’t willing to sell Apple a license, unless Apple switches to use their hardware or partner with them to work on Apple’s hardware. There is no excuse. Markets can’t work…

So monopolies are only good if they’re unbreakable?

Literally a few days ago everyone here was telling us how important it is for beeper to stop working because they’re copying Apple.

When is copying and modifications okay and when is it not?

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Post by roflchoppa »

keeptrying wrote: post #193

Damn need to go get one. Still have the series 3.

They have been heavily discounted since “Black Friday” sales. I wonder if they knew this was going to happen…

I went from a series 0 (OG watch), to this series 9 it’s a pretty nice upgrade!

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Post by caminante »

taeric wrote: post #185
caminante wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Huh? That doesn't apply here at all. > To avoid a complete ban on sales, Apple had two months to cut a deal with Masimo to license its technology, or it could appeal to the Biden administration to reverse the ruling. But Joe Kiani, the chief executive of Masimo, said in an interview that Apple had not engaged in licensing negotiations

Sorta? Compulsive licensing is something that only exists in a very narrow market for copyright material. Pretty sure it does not exist at all for patents. You can argue that it is somewhat moot here, as Apple was not showing any willingness to negotiate. But the post above is somewhat accurate, in that there is no guarantee that negotiations will end in a license.

> But the post above is somewhat accurate, in that there is no guarantee that negotiations will end in a license.

Why is that revelation "wild?"

Imagine saying,

> It’s so wild that [Bernie] is allowed to refuse to [allow Bob] to [rent Bernie's spare bedroom].

putting aside the fact that [Bob] doesn't even want to rent from [Bernie] as applied to the situation here with the watches! :-)

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