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He blew the whistle on Amazon. He's still paying the price

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Post by PeterisP »

WinstonSmith84 wrote: post #198
bambax wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course, but I don't think it's specific to "the west" or "corrupt societies". It's human nature. If you're part of a group and you speak against the group, esp. to another group , the group will move to destroy you. It doesn't matter if you're right; it doesn't matter if the group is doing bad things; it doesn't matter if speaking up will help save lives. The function of the group is to survive as a group; it will…

OP has written: > even here in the west No indeed it's not specific to the west, but the emphasis was worth it: many western people have such an high opinion of their country that they believe it could only happen in Iran, Russia, North Korea and the likes

There definitely is a difference. For example, he is alive - in countries around me there are similar cases which didn't end that well.

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Post by dmd »

uconnectlol wrote: post #210
dmd wrote: post #161

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No, that’s just them blocking your DNS provider. You’re using cloudflare, quad9, or similar. Google “cloudflare archive.is” for details.

nope. archive.is has their cloudflare configuration set to "i am under attack mode"[1], which makes the cloudflare captcha come up every time a tor / vpn / "bad" IP address visits it. its been like this since 2015. if you aren't familiar, cloudflare just serves tor / vpn / "bad" IP captchas for every domain you visit. the captchas themselves are broken half the time. in 2018 cloudflare then added deep packet inspecti…

Then why do I get a captcha loop if I use 1.1.1.1 or 9.9.9.9 as my resolver ... but if I use 8.8.8.8, I don't?

I can switch back and forth and reproduce it perfectly each time.

Re: He blew the whistle on Amazon. He's still paying the price

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Post by [deleted] »

bambax wrote: post #85
PaulKeeble wrote: post #16

My experience of whistleblowing even here in the west is that usually it goes very very badly. The only real thing open to you is to refuse to do anything unethical, quit and walk away. Many people can't afford to do that. Things ought to be different but we live in corrupt societies where the law is different for the rich and powerful than for everyone else.

Of course, but I don't think it's specific to "the west" or "corrupt societies". It's human nature. If you're part of a group and you speak against the group, esp. to another group , the group will move to destroy you. It doesn't matter if you're right; it doesn't matter if the group is doing bad things; it doesn't matter if speaking up will help save lives. The function of the group is to survive as a group; it will…

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Post by hn8305823 »

brightball wrote: post #178
LastNevadan wrote: post #84

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A similar film is Silkwood, which is about the life of Karen Silkwood, who reported concerns about corporate practices related to health and safety in a nuclear facility where she worked. She was severely harassed by her employer and then died in a suspicious car accident. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karen_Silkwood https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/silkwood

Anybody who becomes the target of large orgs is going to have a bad time. Just think about the guy who was falsely accused of being the pipe bomber at the Atlanta Olympics after he saved people.

> the guy

His name was Richard Jewel

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_jewel

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Post by verisimi »

c0brac0bra wrote: post #192
ikurei wrote: post #142

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So many laws go against human nature; those might be the most important laws. I don't expect the greedy and powerful to change, but as a society we should do more to protect whistleblowers, the same way we protect threatened witnesses. Also, more solidarity between workers, although not always possible, would go a long way. So many Google employees can definitely afford to quit in solidarity, or strike. Not saying it…

You might even say that ALL laws go against human nature. If it was in our nature to follow a certain law we probably wouldn't need it codified.

Laws are for thee, not for me.

They are a control mechanism for the masses, nothing to do with right or wrong, which is written in our hearts. But, if you want to disempower the individual, take his money (tax), use that money against him (police, tax inspectors) you need some authorised hymnsheet for the feeble minded to get behind. And that is law.

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Post by rmbyrro »

tttp wrote: post #116
rmbyrro wrote: post #101

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But the Hamas attack against Israel ONLY targeted civilians and OP isn't protesting.

OP is protesting against Amazon providing infrastructure for selecting targets for the IDF to bomb. I'm not aware of Amazon providing services to Hamas, so that the OP is not protesting there isn't that surprising, nor does it imply that OP isn't protesting against Hamas attack.

Speaking about pro-palestinian activism in general, not particularly OP, who I don't know:

If one is an activist, a group commits atrocities and there's no private business related to them, then one sits and do nothing?

The people I see protesting against Israeli invasion of Gaza I failed to see protesting Hamas brutal and inhumane attacks weeks earlier. It seems to me they were silent.

I'm having a really hard time understanding the logic of this kind of activism. It seems to me ideology driven, not humanitarian.

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Post by isilofi »

financltravsty wrote: post #196
octacat wrote: post #46

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Western companies which cared, went a bit bankrupt sadly. We have negative selection here.

Patagonia? Chick-Fil-A? I think when you go full B2B, you are destined to be a soulless corporate automaton.

> Patagonia? Chick-Fil-A?

There is certainly a niche catering to the handful of customers who do care, have the money to care, have enough information to care and get the opportunity to show they care by selecting the right vendor. But very often I think the consumer is just unable to care because of lacking money, lacking information or outright deception by the vendors and lacking offers from ethical vendors.

And the market unfortunately favors the non-ethical ones. Which doesn't make ethical ones impossible or non-existent, just less likely to succeed and therefore rare.

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Post by Zambyte »

bambax wrote: post #85
PaulKeeble wrote: post #16

My experience of whistleblowing even here in the west is that usually it goes very very badly. The only real thing open to you is to refuse to do anything unethical, quit and walk away. Many people can't afford to do that. Things ought to be different but we live in corrupt societies where the law is different for the rich and powerful than for everyone else.

Of course, but I don't think it's specific to "the west" or "corrupt societies". It's human nature. If you're part of a group and you speak against the group, esp. to another group , the group will move to destroy you. It doesn't matter if you're right; it doesn't matter if the group is doing bad things; it doesn't matter if speaking up will help save lives. The function of the group is to survive as a group; it will…

> If you're part of a group and you speak against the group, esp. to another group, the group will move to destroy you.

Not all "groups" are created equal though. I think a big factor in this is how much people make the group a part of their personal identity. If they feel like they are the group (ie "I am American"), then they feel like an attack on the group is an attack on them (is "Americans are dumb" means I am dumb).

Not all groups latch on to their members sense of identity like that, and in that case an attack on the group is much more acceptable to members of the group.

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Post by ClumsyPilot »

bambax wrote: post #85
PaulKeeble wrote: post #16

My experience of whistleblowing even here in the west is that usually it goes very very badly. The only real thing open to you is to refuse to do anything unethical, quit and walk away. Many people can't afford to do that. Things ought to be different but we live in corrupt societies where the law is different for the rich and powerful than for everyone else.

Of course, but I don't think it's specific to "the west" or "corrupt societies". It's human nature. If you're part of a group and you speak against the group, esp. to another group , the group will move to destroy you. It doesn't matter if you're right; it doesn't matter if the group is doing bad things; it doesn't matter if speaking up will help save lives. The function of the group is to survive as a group; it will…

> I don't think it's specific to "the west" or "corrupt societies". It's human nature.

The west is unique because it has created a very believable façade of cleanliness, majority of the population believes that whistleblowing works and often allegations of corruption are treated like conspiracy theory.

In, let's say, Russia, everyone knows that things are corrupt, at least they are realists.

> fight an uphill battle

For some reason our ideology talks about entrepreneurs as wealth creators and completely forgets about wealth creators that our society doesn't reward or punishes, like whistle-blowers.

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