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Chrome pushes forward with plans to limit ad blockers in the future

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Re: Chrome pushes forward with plans to limit ad blockers in the future

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Post by pier25 »

nmilo wrote: post #54
pier25 wrote: post #5

I like using Chrome and even went back to it after trying FF and Brave 2-3 years ago. But this would really make me look for alternatives, even if those are inferior. It's not even about Youtube. I pay for Youtube Premium. But not being able to block third party cookies would be a deal breaker.

So switch then instead of just talking about it. It's not a big deal, it takes like 1 minute, and no one can seriously tell me you have a significantly different browser experience on Chrome vs FF.

I did switch and then went back to Chrome. Didn't you read my comment?

It doesnt take 1 minute and yes the FF experience was significantly worse when I tried it.

Here's one example. I write almost daily in 4 languages on the web. With Chrome I get multilingual spell checking automatically in those 4 langguages without having to do anything. Even in the same .

With FF you have to manually install dictionaries and there was even a 23 year old issue (yes, 23 years) about using multiple dictionnries at the same time. This issue was only closed 2 months ago:

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=69687

Re: Chrome pushes forward with plans to limit ad blockers in the future

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Post by pier25 »

nmilo wrote: post #118
linza wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's very subjective, but I won't try switching again before certain things I value in Chrome are available or work similar well on Firefox. You can switch based on ideology alone but I want convenience more than that.

Ok so if you're not going to switch then don't talk about it. Google will continue to make Chrome shittier and more user-hostile much like every product they've ever released since they were founded and people like you will continue to go "yeah but what about app mode or whatever." It's not ideology, it's history.

> Google will continue to make Chrome shittier and more user-hostile

Other than this ad stuff (which I agree is tremendously hostile) Chrome has acually been getting better. The dev tools, performance, UI, and memory usage have improved considerably this year.

Re: Chrome pushes forward with plans to limit ad blockers in the future

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Post by Solvency »

asylteltine wrote: post #160
Solvency wrote: post #144

Can anyone explain why there isn't a robust and thriving adblocking solution available at the router or OS level? Why are we all forced to grasp at the straws of the browser?

Because most blocking is removing DOM elements and you can’t do this outside a browser

But the network still has to transfer the contents from some source into that DOM so I'm unclear why it's so hard to nix that inbound data.

Re: Chrome pushes forward with plans to limit ad blockers in the future

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Post by pier25 »

vivzkestrel wrote: post #20
pier25 wrote: post #5

I like using Chrome and even went back to it after trying FF and Brave 2-3 years ago. But this would really make me look for alternatives, even if those are inferior. It's not even about Youtube. I pay for Youtube Premium. But not being able to block third party cookies would be a deal breaker.

majority of the people will still use Chrome even if Google literally delists all blockers from the planet. One major reason being "browser migration". The guys on HN crying foul on most of these articles are a vocal minority. This s Google's version of "corner the market and raise the prices". They ll lost 2-5% market share at max

> They ll lost 2-5% market share at max

IE lost a lot more than 2-5% during the golden years of FF. At its peak in 2010, FF had about 30% market share.

https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share#monthly-2009...

Not even Safari has reached the same level or market share (including mobile).

Re: Chrome pushes forward with plans to limit ad blockers in the future

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Post by insickness »

antonok wrote: post #203
sandworm101 wrote: post #164

Ok. Goodbye chrome. I will be switching to whatever privacy-focused browser allows me to keep not seeing ads. I do wonder how long it will be before we see browser browsers, software that takes a browser instance and sanitizes it. Maybe chrome will continue as a daemon allowed to run inside a sandbox within a browser's browser that actually displays content to a human.

Why not, I'll make a pitch for Brave here too. We have the only EasyList-compatible adblocker that isn't based on an extension platform. Yes, there is in-browser private advertising with user revenue share, but all of it can be disabled too if you prefer.

Since Brave is Chrome-based, won't it be affected by Chrome's limitations on ad-blockers?

Re: Chrome pushes forward with plans to limit ad blockers in the future

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Post by reustle »

aussieguy1234 wrote: post #208

If they do, I'll switch back to Firefox

Jump in, the water is great!

But seriously, this finally forced my back to Firefox and it has been very smooth so far.

The Cloudflare overlords like to force a few more captchas to access sites, and Apple doesn’t support keychain password sharing yet, but they’re worthy compromises to push back on the domination of chrome.

Re: Chrome pushes forward with plans to limit ad blockers in the future

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Post by shiroiuma »

chias wrote: post #42
iforgotpassword wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If even tech people (who could easily have multiple browsers around) prefer Chrome over Firefox for minor problems out of convenience, I don't see how Firefox is supposed to really notably gain any market share even if Google completely locks out ad blockers.

> If even tech people (who could easily have multiple browsers around) prefer Chrome over Firefox very many of us don't.

There are dozens of us!!

I'm one of those dozens too, but sadly, "techies" are not that great at promoting the more open alternatives. Or even ad-blocking in general: just look at how hordes of HN users insist here that everyone who blocks ads is evil and how we have a moral obligation to watch advertising.

Re: Chrome pushes forward with plans to limit ad blockers in the future

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Post by antonok »

insickness wrote: post #215
antonok wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why not, I'll make a pitch for Brave here too. We have the only EasyList-compatible adblocker that isn't based on an extension platform. Yes, there is in-browser private advertising with user revenue share, but all of it can be disabled too if you prefer.

Since Brave is Chrome-based, won't it be affected by Chrome's limitations on ad-blockers?

Brave's built-in adblocker will not be affected, since it doesn't rely on any extension APIs.

We'll also be continuing support for Mv2, in case you prefer to use uBO or other pre-Mv3 adblock extensions.

Re: Chrome pushes forward with plans to limit ad blockers in the future

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Post by antonok »

lern_too_spel wrote: post #209
antonok wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why not, I'll make a pitch for Brave here too. We have the only EasyList-compatible adblocker that isn't based on an extension platform. Yes, there is in-browser private advertising with user revenue share, but all of it can be disabled too if you prefer.

The ads for cryptocurrency grifts in the settings cannot be disabled.

Can you be more specific? There are admittedly lots of settings menus, but to my knowledge there are no ads inside the settings menus.

Re: Chrome pushes forward with plans to limit ad blockers in the future

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Post by Sabinus »

eastbound wrote: post #190
vlod wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Welcome to Firefox. We have cookies!

And ads! Mandatory shortcuts for Nike and Amazon on the homepage! Then ads saying Big Browser Watches For You! Then ads saying we respect privacy! Then a suggestion to open a Mozilla account and synchronize all your history! Because we respect privacy!

Don't let perfect be the enemy of good.
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