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We have reached an agreement in principle for Sam to return to OpenAI as CEO

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Post by highwaylights »

nickpp wrote: post #135
r721 wrote: post #29

Quote tweets by main participants: https://twitter.com/sama/status/1727206691262099616 (+ follow-up https://twitter.com/sama/status/1727207458324848883 ) https://twitter.com/gdb/status/1727206609477411261 https://twitter.com/miramurati/status/1727206862150672843 UPD https://twitter.com/gdb/status/1727208843137179915 https://twitter.com/eshear/status/1727210329560756598 https://twitter.com/satyanadella/status/17272076…

On a side tangent, absolutely amazing how all this drama unfolded on Twitter/X. No Threads, no Mastodon, no Truth Social or Blue whatever. Say what you want about Elon’s leadership but his instinct to buy Twitter was completely right. To me it seemed like any social network crap but he realized it was important .

Interesting take.

By all accounts he paid about double what it was worth and the value has collapsed from there.

Probably not a great idea to say anything overtly political when you own a social media company, as due to politics being so polarised in the US, any opinion is going to divide your audience in half causing a usage collapse and driving support to competing platforms.

https://fortune.com/2023/09/06/elon-musk-x-what-is-twitter-w...

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Post by ah765 »

brucethemoose2 wrote: post #136
altpaddle wrote: post #42

I guess the main question is who else will be on the board and to what degree will this new board be committed to the Open AI charter vs being Sam/MSFT allies. I think having Sam return as CEO is a good outcome for OpenAI but hopefully he and Greg stay off the board. It's important that the board be relatively independent and able to fire the CEO if he attempts to deviate from the mission. I was a bit alarmed by the…

> It's important that the board be relatively independent and able to fire the CEO if he attempts to deviate from the mission. They did fire him, and it didn't work. Sam effectively became "too big to fire." I'm sure it will be framed as a compromise, but how can this be anything but a collapse of the board's power over the commercial OpenAI arm? The threat of firing was the enforcement mechanism, and its been spent.

Sam lost his board representation as a result of all this (though maybe that's temporary).

I believe the goal of the opposing faction was mainly to avoid Sam dominating board and they achieved that, which is why they've accepted the results.

After more opinions come out, I'm guessing Sam's side won't look as strong, and he'll become "fireable" again.

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Post by jq-r »

reustle wrote: post #116
meetpateltech wrote: post #80

Emmett Shear on Twitter: I am deeply pleased by this result, after ~72 very intense hours of work. Coming into OpenAI, I wasn’t sure what the right path would be. This was the pathway that maximized safety alongside doing right by all stakeholders involved. I’m glad to have been a part of the solution. https://twitter.com/eshear/status/1727210329560756598

I'm probably reading too much into it, but interesting that he specifically called out maximizing safety.

That’s just a buzzword of the week devoid of any real meaning. If he would have written this years ago, it would’ve been “leveraging synergies”.

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Post by Hamuko »

flylib wrote: post #111

"A source with direct knowledge of the negotiations says that the sole job of this initial board is to vet and appoint a new formal board of up to 9 people that will reset the governance of OpenAl. Microsoft will likely have a seat on that expanded board, as will Altman himself." https://twitter.com/teddyschleifer/status/172721237871736880...

So basically, the outcome of this drama is that Microsoft gets more power without having to invest anything?

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Post by Satam »

Disappointing outcome. The process has conclusively confirmed that OpenAI is in fact not open and that it is effectively controlled by Microsoft. Furthermore, the overwhelming groupthink shows there's clearly little critical thinking amongst OpenAI's employees either.

It might not seem like the case right now, but I think the real disruption is just about to begin. OpenAI does not have in its DNA to win, they're too short-sighted and reactive. Big techs will have incredible distribution power but a real disruptor must be brewing somewhere unnoticed, for now.

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Post by dieselgate »

upwardbound wrote: post #88
altpaddle wrote: post #42

I guess the main question is who else will be on the board and to what degree will this new board be committed to the Open AI charter vs being Sam/MSFT allies. I think having Sam return as CEO is a good outcome for OpenAI but hopefully he and Greg stay off the board. It's important that the board be relatively independent and able to fire the CEO if he attempts to deviate from the mission. I was a bit alarmed by the…

> The CEO should not be allowed to try and orchestrate their own board as that would remove all checks against their decisions. Exactly. This is seriously improper and dangerous. It's literally a human-implemented example of what Prof. Stuart Russell calls "the problem of control". This is when a rogue AI (or a rogue Sam Altman) no longer wants to be controlled by its human superior, and takes steps to eliminate the…

I realize it's kind of the punchline of 2001: A Space Odyssey but have been wondering what happens if a GPT/AI is able to deny a request on a whim. Thanks for giving some literature and verbiage into this concept

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Post by consp »

txnf wrote: post #189
shubhamjain wrote: post #162

At the end of the day, we still don't know what exactly happened and probably, never will. However, it seems clear there was a rift between Rapid Commercialization (Team Sam) and Upholding the Original Principles (Team Helen/Ilya). I think the tensions were brewing for quite a while, as it's evident from an article written even before GPT-3 [1]. > Over time, it has allowed a fierce competitiveness and mounting pressu…

well said, I would note that both sides recognize that "AGI" will require new uncertain R&D breakthroughs beyond merely scaling up another order of magnitude in compute. given this, i think it's crazy to blow the resources of azure on trying more scale. rapid commercialization at least buys more time for the needed R&D breakthrough to happen.

All commercialized R&D companies eventually become a hollowed out commercial shell. Why would this be any different?

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Post by pknerd »

shubhamjain wrote: post #162

At the end of the day, we still don't know what exactly happened and probably, never will. However, it seems clear there was a rift between Rapid Commercialization (Team Sam) and Upholding the Original Principles (Team Helen/Ilya). I think the tensions were brewing for quite a while, as it's evident from an article written even before GPT-3 [1]. > Over time, it has allowed a fierce competitiveness and mounting pressu…

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