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> If it is the board might be the dumbest people alive. it totally sounds like they outsourced company management to ChatGPT..
no way even ChatGPT is this nuts. Ok, well, maybe it is. but a magic 8-ball would have been better than this.
I think it is typical ChatGPT pattern:
- ChatGPT, you made mistake in your steps
- I am sorry, let me fix it and give you another answer.
These simply can't be the real reasons.
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This could well be, but I still struggle to grasp it. He seemed so much smarter. Were they manipulative or beguiling? Does he cave to the merest social pressure? And that Quora CEO should have know such flimsy excuses were BS and this would be a firestorm. I’ve never seen group think so powerful, outside of junior devs and elementary school students. I’m generally not a conspiracy theorist, and I have no good candida…
> This could well be, but I still struggle to grasp it. He seemed so much smarter This isn't about intelligence but about business experience.
Neither of these reasons have anything to do with a lofty ideology regarding the safety of AGI or OpenAI’s nonprofit status. Rather it seems they are micromanaging personnel decisions. Also notice that Ilya Sutskever is presenting the reasons for the firing as just something he was told. This is important, because people were siding with the board under the understanding this firing was led by the head research scien…
1) Where is Emmett? He's the CEO now. It's his job to be the public face of the company. The company is in an existential crisis and there have been no public statements after his 1AM tweet. 2) Where is the board? At a bare minimum, issue a public statement that you have full faith in the new CEO and the leadership team, are taking decisive action to stabilize the situation, and have a plan to move the company forwar…
Even worse, if we don't have near constant updates, we might realize this is not all that important in the end and move on to other news items!
I know, I know, I shouldn't jest when this could have grave consequences like changing which uri your api endpoint is pointing to.
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Back in the late 80s, Lotus faced a crisis with their spreadsheet, Lotus 1-2-3. Should they: 1. stick with DOS 2. go with OS/2 3. go with Windows Lotus chose (2). But the market went with (3), and Lotus was destroyed by Excel. Lotus was a wealthy company at the time. I would have created three groups, and done all three options.
Which would have had been a tradeoff too. More time to market, fewer people on each project, slowed down by cross platform code.
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> do you really care that the CEO was fired as long as you are getting payed what it was agreed upon ... I can't speak to the mood of specific staff at OpenAI but as to the question in general; Hell yeah to the Nth degree. I'm 60, I've had a long career and have been through two instances of companies falling out at the board level. I've onboarded at various projects because I cared about the projects and work that'd…
Thank you for that comment. There are many people here who seem to believe that the OpenAI employees--and nearly everyone else involved in this drama--are motivated only by money. While of course money matters, people are also motivated by pride, vanity, idealism, loyalty, companionship, interest in the work itself, and many other things. Explanations of this fascinating situation that don't reflect that complexity a…
Resigned 6 years ago due to differences at the top after 10 yrs building.
A bad guy was treating everyone poorly. Ranged from rage beratements to gross narcissistic manipulation aimed at gaining control over decent human beings.
Tried to press top guys to allign and confront to protect my team and others. Made very obvious business sense as well ofc. They refused. Too risky... Too much trouble.
Walked away from the best money I ever made. Would do it again. I'm not gonna watch people be mistreated. Also it's bad business, I was exhausted playing solo defense and after management failed to make moves I fully became convinced that every person should hit the job market for mental health reasons alone.
5 years on, the other guy besides me slated for c suite left as well. He helped at first then balked when the going got tough. Now the two partners have gotten in a dispute about succession planning and I expect everyone to be unemployed potentially within the next 3 months.
There's no money I would take to work there again or anywhere else where that kind of toxicity is present. The only worthy cause there became to confront the toxicity. Without the right allies though... The biggest thing I could do was just resign. 6 years later one partner realized I was right and he should have backed me.
After a certain point... Money doesn't matter. Given the 900k avg salary in that outfit... I have to assume they are overwhelmingly beyond that threshold. Furthermore all evidence to me indicates that Altman personally looks for folks who can get money, but care much more about other factors... He is wise to do that. Hard to find those folks, but worth it every time imo.
I respect both of y'alls experiance btw. I saw this confused cynical misunderstanding re salary expressed all over the comments for this story as it's unfolded since Friday. I consider it a full misread built largely from folks getting mistreated/burned by the many fools throughout practically every industry who fail to realize before returning to the ground that money doesn't really buy happiness... Probably never will.
I'm sure many others agree.
You have to wonder at this point how much of this is the current board members trying to somehow save face. I can’t imagine their careers after this will be easy…
You are far more charitable than I. (I have no idea why I’m worked up. I don’t work at OAI.) They pulled the dumbest virtual corporate hostage crisis, for ostensibly flimsy reasons, and even has mainstream media wondering whether they’re just crazy. People are just begging to know why, and they seemingly have nothing. It’s incredible. Good lord, if there’s a lesson, it’s that these people should never have been nor s…
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Back in the late 80s, Lotus faced a crisis with their spreadsheet, Lotus 1-2-3. Should they: 1. stick with DOS 2. go with OS/2 3. go with Windows Lotus chose (2). But the market went with (3), and Lotus was destroyed by Excel. Lotus was a wealthy company at the time. I would have created three groups, and done all three options.
Which would have had been a tradeoff too. More time to market, fewer people on each project, slowed down by cross platform code.
For a company selling licenses for installations, wouldn't having support for all available and upcoming platforms a good thing? Especially when the distribution costs are essentially 0?
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Steve Jobs famously had two iPhone teams working on concepts in parallel. It was click wheel vs multi-touch. Shockingly the click wheel iPhone lost.
Seriously? Click wheel iPhone lost shockingly? The click wheel on most laptops wears out so fast for me, and the chances of that happening on a smaller phone wheel is just so much higher.