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Details emerge of surprise board coup that ousted CEO Sam Altman at OpenAI

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Re: Details emerge of surprise board coup that ousted CEO Sam Altman at OpenAI

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This was a very personal firing in my opinion. Unless other, really damaging behaviors emerge, no responsible board fires their CEO with such a lack of care for the corporate reputation and their partners unless the firing is a personal grievance connected to an internal power play. This should be embarrassing to everyone involved, and sama has a real grievance here. Likely legal repercussions. Of course if they real…

Gygax? The history books don't think much of his business skills, starting with the creation of AD&D as a fiction to avoid paying royalties to Arneson.

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Here's what I don't understand. There clearly were tensions between the for and not-for growth factions, but the Dev Day is being cited as a 'last straw'. It was a product launch. Ilya, and the board, should have been well aware of what was being released on that day for months. They should have at the very least been privy to the plan, if not outright sanctioned it. Seems like before launch would have been the time…

> They should have at the very least been privy to the plan, if not outright sanctioned it.

Never assume this. After all, their communication specifically cited that Sam deceived them in some way, and Greg was also impacted. Ilya is the only board member that might have known naturally, given his day-to-day work with OAI, but since ~July he has worked in the area of superalignment, which could reasonably be a different department (it shouldn't be). The Board may have also found out about these projects, maybe from a third party/Ilya, told Sam they're moving too fast, and Sam ignored them and launched anyway. We really don't know.

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Jeremy Howard (of fast.ai): https://x.com/jeremyphoward/status/1725712220955586899 He is not exactly an insider, but seems broadly aligned/sympathetic/well-connected with the Ilya/researchers faction, his tweet/perspective was a useful proxy into what that split may have felt like internally.

Such a bad take. Developers (me included) loved Dev Day.

Pretty insightful I thought. The people who joined to create AGI are going to be underwhelmed by the products made available on dev day.

Re: Details emerge of surprise board coup that ousted CEO Sam Altman at OpenAI

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I know everybody is going nuts about this, but just from my personal perspective I’ve worked at a variety of companies with “important” CEOs, and in every single one of those cases had the CEO left I would not have cared at all. The CEO always gets way too much credit externally for what the company is doing, it does not mean the CEO is that important. OpenAI might be different, I don’t have any personal experience,…

This was done in the context of Dev Day. Meaning that the board was convinced by Ilya that users should not have access to this level of functionality. Or perhaps he was more concerned that he was not able to gatekeep its release. So presumably it was Altman who pushed for releasing this technology to the general public. If this is accurate then this shift in control is bound to slow down feature delivery and create a window for competitors.

Re: Details emerge of surprise board coup that ousted CEO Sam Altman at OpenAI

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I think OpenAI made the right choice. Just look at what has become of many of the most successful YC companies. Do we really want OpenAI to turn into another Airbnb? It’s clear the biggest priority of YC is profit.

They made a deal with Microsoft, who has a long history of exploiting users and customers to make as much money as possible. Just look at the latest version of Windows; Microsoft doesn’t care about AI only as much as it enables them to make more and more money till no end through their existing products. They rushed to integrate AI into all of their legacy products to prop them up rather than offer something legitimately new. And they did it not organically but by throwing their money around, attracting the type of people who are primarily motivated by money. Look at how the vibe of AI has changed in the past year —- lots of fake influencers and the mad gold rush around it. And we are hearing crazy stories like comp packages at OpenAI in the millions, turning AI into a rich man’s game.

For a company that has “Open” in their name, none of their best and most valuable GPT models are open source. It feels as disingenuous as the “We” in WeWork. Even Meta has them beat here.

Sam Altman, while good at building highly profitable SaaS, consumer, & B2B tech startups and running a highly successful tech accelerator, before this point, didn’t have any kind of real background in AI. One can only imagine how he must feel like an outsider.

I think it’s a hard decision to fire a CEO, but the company is more than the CEO, it’s the people who work there. A lot of the time the company is structured in such a way that the CEO is essentially not replaceable, we should be thankful OpenAI fortunately had the right structure in place to not have a dictator (even a benevolent one).

Re: Details emerge of surprise board coup that ousted CEO Sam Altman at OpenAI

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> Angel investor Ron Conway wrote, "What happened at OpenAI today is a Board coup that we have not seen the likes of since 1985 when the then-Apple board pushed out Steve Jobs. It is shocking; it is irresponsible; and it does not do right by Sam & Greg or all the builders in OpenAI." With all sympathy and empathy for Sam and Greg, whose dreams took a blow, I want to say something about investors [edit: not Ron Conway…

> The board's job is not to do right

There is why you do something. And there is how you do something.

OpenAI is well within its rights to change strategy even as bold as from a profit-seeking behemoth to a smaller research focused team. But how they went about this is appalling, unprofessional and a blight on corporate governance.

They have blind-sided partners (e.g. Satya is furious), split the company into two camps and have let Sam and Greg go angry and seeking retribution. Which in turn now creates the threat that a for-profit version of OpenAI dominates the market with no higher purpose.

For me there is no justification for how this all happened.

Re: Details emerge of surprise board coup that ousted CEO Sam Altman at OpenAI

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think wanting to make sure that their technology doesn't cause harm equates to being hostile to the work itself.

That would seem based on the individuals motivation at the end of the day... It's easy to imagine two archetypes 1) The person motivated to make AGI and make it safe. 2) The person motivated to make AGI at any cost and profit from it. It seems like OpenAI may be pushing for type 1 at the moment, but the typical problem with capitalism is it will commonly fund type 2 businesses. Who 'wins' really breaks down to if the…

Not at OAI or some researcher, but I‘d be in an archetype 3:

I‘d do anything I can to make true AGI a reality, without safety concerns or wanting to profit from it.

Re: Details emerge of surprise board coup that ousted CEO Sam Altman at OpenAI

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> OpenAI’s biggest issue is that it has no moat. This just isn't true. They have the users, the customers, Microsoft, the backing, the years ahead of most, and the good press. It's like saying Uber isn't worth anything because they don't own their cars and are just a middleman. Maybe that now changes since they fired the face of the company, and the press and sentiment turns on them.

Uber is worth less than zero. They already are at full capacity (how many cities are there left to expand) and still not profitable.

It may not be profitable but it's utility is worth way more than zero.

Re: Details emerge of surprise board coup that ousted CEO Sam Altman at OpenAI

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This was a very personal firing in my opinion. Unless other, really damaging behaviors emerge, no responsible board fires their CEO with such a lack of care for the corporate reputation and their partners unless the firing is a personal grievance connected to an internal power play. This should be embarrassing to everyone involved, and sama has a real grievance here. Likely legal repercussions. Of course if they real…

Altman's not going to sue. Right now he has the high ground and the board is the one that looks petty and immature. It would be dumb for him to do anything that reverses this dynamic.

Altman is going to move on and announce a new venture in the coming weeks. Whether that venture is in AI or not in AI will be very revealing about what he truly believes are the prospects for the space.

Brockman and the others will likely do something new in AI.

Re: Details emerge of surprise board coup that ousted CEO Sam Altman at OpenAI

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Sorry but the board firing the person who works for them is not a “coup”.

> The next day, Brockman, who was Chairman of the OpenAI board, was not invited to this board meeting, where Altman was fired. > Around 30 minutes later, Brockman was informed by Sutskever that he was being removed from his board role but could remain at the company, and that Altman had been fired (Brockman declined, and resigned his role later on Friday). The board firing the CEO is not a coup. The board firing the…

The point being made is that the board is the one that's supposed to be in power. How the CEO is fired may be gauche but it's not usurpation of power or anything like that.
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