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Re: Starship’s second flight test

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Post by LargoLasskhyfv »

modeless wrote: post #192
LargoLasskhyfv wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm usually seeing 50ms rtt from Hamburg, Germany to Denver, CO, a few more to my 'cabin in the woods' near there, and vice versa. Via fiber. It depends on the technology and peerings the involved ISPs use, and how overbooked they are, or not. I'm not seeing how starlink will change that in a big way. Except where there is no fiber at all, or no choice of good ISPs. And as backup. That's convenient, of course.

> Except where there is no fiber at all, or no choice of good ISPs So, like, a majority of the world?

One can move?

Re: Starship’s second flight test

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Post by LargoLasskhyfv »

GeekyBear wrote: post #168
LargoLasskhyfv wrote: post #152

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And how wouldn't that magically move to mars, given that it had to spread slowly, with relatively long incubation time, because otherwise it would kill its hosts too fast? I mean, isn't the whole vision that rather comfortable and fast ride, like in an airliner, but the duration of a cruise? Without all that quarantine shit?

The time it takes to get to Mars itself would serve as a quarantine period.

Well... there is the phenomenon of antibiotica-resistant bacteria building up in places where they shouldn't be at all, surgical operating theatres for example.

Do you expect the masses to mars movers to be left alone unattended after reaching their destination, no maintenance, except under BSL-4 conditions, for being ready to go back?

Or the passengers showered and scrubbed in airlocks with antiseptic foam, ultraviolet light, and whatnot else, while their clothing is being 'recycled'?

The airlocks probably will be there, but the rest? One could probably argue that it all won't matter, like it mostly doesn't in Antarctica, because air too dry and cold, etc.

But can you be sure?

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Post by jiggawatts »

melagonster wrote: post #209
jiggawatts wrote: post #58

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I wonder if NASA launches are held up for months waiting for information about how many sharks might be directly hit by their rockets. And then I wonder if they would have to cancel multi-billion dollar missions to deep space if the answer is non-zero. People really need to get a grip and use their common sense for a bit. A hundred workers — humans — died in the construction of the Hoover Dam, and that was considered…

>Be specific you look so angry. I just don't like the attitude that treat all investigation as joke.

Governments went on literal witch hunts, recently.

Many “investigations” are not done in good faith.

Ask yourself a simple question: does the government subject anyone else — especially themselves — to the same scrutiny?

Really?

Collision studies between space rockets and sharks!?

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Post by avmich »

Xenoamorphous wrote: post #78
happytiger wrote: post #44

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It’s bonkers. It’s absolutely bonkers. I feel like I’m witnessing the creation of the wheel. Non-space nerds don’t quite understand why it’s so exciting. But I can’t imagine how much this is going to change the world, and civilization. It’s kind of the equivalent of going from local freighters to the Seawise Giant in one iteration.

Any hints on how this is going to change civilisation, for non-space nerds?

For space nerds, Bradbury wrote this: https://metallicman.com/laoban4site/r-is-for-rocket/ - one of his works, in some sense similar to the anticipation of these months.

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Post by melagonster »

mulmen wrote: post #67
maxlin wrote: post #30

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But more important first is to put headphones on seals and play sonic boom sounds to test and make sure they aren't startled by the scary rocket sounds. (Ok, stretching a little. That is what a seemingly similar survey did at Cape as a part of some similarly goofy bureaucracy thing that has been holding Starship back the last month or so. For Starship they're worried for the risk of what happens if Starship literally…

The Twitter mobile player displays no timestamp so seeking is pointless. Here it is on YouTube. https://youtube.com/watch?t=1h18m . And here’s the transcript: https://lexfridman.com/elon-musk-4-transcript#chapter12_ai_r... . I listened to the relevant section and there’s no indication that the shark question is what is blocking launch. In fact it is clear that question was already answered. > One of the things that w…

I found a better source here https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2016/03/31/2016-07...

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Post by oskarkk »

philistine wrote: post #185
modeless wrote: post #16

If Starship meets its reusability goals it's going to be absolutely nuts. Flying to orbit and back multiple times in a day like an airliner or something, carrying more than the entire habitable volume of ISS every time. It's impossible to overstate how much that would change access to space, and how much of an advantage it would give SpaceX over its competitors (even other nations).

The big caveat are the heat tiles. They were not a part of the very early design of what was then the BFR. They went with tiles when the liquid heat shield proved impossible, and they will probably need to be inspected after every flight. The shuttle's tiles had to be manually removed and inspected. It took months to do. I don't know if Starship can escape that requirement.

Quoting Wikipedia article on shuttle, "there were about 24,300 unique tiles individually fitted on the vehicle". Starship is just a cylinder with pointy end, and tiles on most of the vehicle will be the same, so that will help.

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Post by dsq »

avmich wrote: post #214
Xenoamorphous wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any hints on how this is going to change civilisation, for non-space nerds?

For space nerds, Bradbury wrote this: https://metallicman.com/laoban4site/r-is-for-rocket/ - one of his works, in some sense similar to the anticipation of these months.

Ive read some Bradbury but not that specific story, thanks for that.

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Post by Aerbil313 »

93po wrote: post #163
maxlin wrote: post #123

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Are you on drugs? What the hell are you even trying to say? Something something if Elon instead worked in a charity we'd be better off just with no EV's, SpaceX, OpenAI etc... ? I'm downvoting you because you're wasting everyone's time and being demotivational about a great thing. The only true progress is technological.

He seems very much under the influence or otherwise ill

I understand his point. He refers to the shortsightedness of human race in terms of handling new technologies which bring a lot of risks.

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Post by nativeit »

Rocket reusability is overhyped nonsense that we could have had decades ago except we only just recently produced the billionaire narcissist class that think that reusing the thin metal shell on a booster is somehow “game changing”. It’s not. It will never be.

Re: Starship’s second flight test

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Post by nativeit »

tornato7 wrote: post #51
cryptoz wrote: post #12

I can’t wait for the time when Starship is proven and launching frequently - though there is a lot to be said about the excitement of right now, when it hasn’t yet had a successful launch. Really got my fingers crossed for a true rapid drop in cost to launch mass to orbit.

I just looked it up and was stunned to see a target of $13/kg cost to orbit. That's insane. A human could go to space for under $1,000 (hand waving away the life support systems)

Just like how Concorde made air travel 10x cheaper! Oh, wait…
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