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Norwegian ban on Meta behavioral advertising extended to entire EU

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Re: Norwegian ban on Meta behavioral advertising extended to entire EU

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Post by mrweasel »

alkonaut wrote: post #207
randomdev3 wrote: post #162

They could just show dumb ads and it might even work better. It's not so hard, you look at the page /content and get the ad category. I've had Google and Meta account for more than 10 years and all ads are completely irrelevant. I go to r/programming on new browser and they show me ads that actually might have something interesting.

The whole adtech vs. hand-crafted ad systems is a big question for small site owners who can't be asked to sell their own ad space etc. But Meta is in a very special position. They have enough user data to pinpoint ads without having to trade data with anyone. They are large enough that they can easily manage all their ad sales in-house. They if anyone should be interested in really strict regulation. Because if ever…

> The whole adtech vs. hand-crafted ad systems is a big question for small site owners who can't be asked to sell their own ad space etc.

Could the ad networks scan the site instead and use the content on the pages to determine likely target audiences? You could still do ad networks, and target audience, based on the site that they are currently on.

The current version of adtech is pretty damaging to society as a whole and it's getting increasingly worse. Apparently nothing online or content related is able to generate enough revenue to keep itself afloat without ads. Manufactures of TVs and cars are collecting and selling data to increase profit, but are themselves buying ads, making it akin to a pyramid scheme. Maybe we need to start taking a look at the industries that are heavily depending on selling ad space to survive and question if they need to exist, or should be transformed into actual products.

Re: Norwegian ban on Meta behavioral advertising extended to entire EU

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Post by merdaverse »

> The Norwegian Privacy Council's decision is an instruction to the Irish Data Protection Authority to place a permanent ban on Meta's European head office in Ireland

Isn't this going to be a problem? The Irish DPA has been known to be in bed with big tech in the past, considering Ireland's entire economy is based around being a tax haven for Big Tech, and importing tech workers with the highest EU salaries taxed at 52% for the highest bracket

https://web.archive.org/web/20230609051152/https://www.irish...

Re: Norwegian ban on Meta behavioral advertising extended to entire EU

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Post by Nextgrid »

dadadatamen wrote: post #183

behavioral marketing is about more than making money. you are nudging millions and billions of people in certain directions. It has completely changed majorities of brackets of the current and last generation. laws will not be enough to stop this

Laws may not be enough but it would be a good start at least. If that doesn’t work we’ll try something else.

Re: Norwegian ban on Meta behavioral advertising extended to entire EU

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Post by A_non_e-moose »

anilakar wrote: post #169
pests wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But as you say, they aren't asking you to give up your rights (because of the 'or pay money' clause). You can just stop using it. If you want to use it and not give up rights, pay money. What is wrong with that?

>> Laws generally don't allow you to sell or otherwise relinquish your rights, > If you want to use it and not give up rights, pay money. Ahh, we are not asking you to sell. We are asking you to give them in exchange for services.

> >> Laws generally don't allow you to sell or otherwise relinquish your rights,

> Ahh, we are not asking you to sell. We are asking you to give them in exchange for services.

That's covered in the "or otherwise relinquish your rights" part. Privacy is a right, you can't sell or relinquish it, in exchange or donated, doesn't matter.

Re: Norwegian ban on Meta behavioral advertising extended to entire EU

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Post by Nextgrid »

fallingknife wrote: post #153
photonbeam wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Facebook isn't going to people's homes and rifling through drawers When they start correlating with external payments sources they are

Seems like this is not a FB issue, but a payments industry issue. Payment data should absolutely be illegal for processors to sell.

Why not both? If someone is buying a firearm off the black market, the buyer is in the wrong but so is whoever is selling it to them without doing a proper background check.

Re: Norwegian ban on Meta behavioral advertising extended to entire EU

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Post by hackideiomat »

tempaccount1234 wrote: post #208
dadadatamen wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can. It's almost quite literally an effort of 30 - 60 min per day or week or month, depending on how skilled you are at keeping things convenient, meaning self-hosting services and maintaining them.

You can, but if you decide to stay away from messengers like WhatsApp, you miss out. Which is OK unless you have kids in school age. Once a service gets so big, that you are practically forced to join, regulation seems like a very good idea

teach your kids signal?

Re: Norwegian ban on Meta behavioral advertising extended to entire EU

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Post by o_1 »

radium3d wrote: post #72

I don't think it's the ads people need to be worried about. It's pages, groups and their "users" posts manipulating people. News flash: a majority aren't even real human users.

I the term bot is interesting, I think it cbelievean be expanded to any automata predictably responding in a certain fashion. Twitter "reply" accounts even if operated by humans but acting like bots should be considered bots. Posts that don't move the discussion along but just reaffirm in one direction or the other are just pure noise and useless. Discourse is broken or the human brain is, unsure which it is.

Re: Norwegian ban on Meta behavioral advertising extended to entire EU

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Post by A_non_e-moose »

dadadatamen wrote: post #181
Youden wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Facebook is only banned from behavioural advertising; regular advertising is still perfectly fine. They're not being banned from making money at all, they're only being banned from using personal data to make more money.

Nobody will blow the whistle on whether that's true or not. It's a fact that we can't trust companies like Meta. Not because it's engineers who implement dark patterns or because all the people in a business earn more money if they disregard human or environmental wellbeing but because leadership literally lies to congress, judges, the public, their users and their customers all the freaking time.

> leadership literally lies to congress, judges, the public, their users and their customers all the freaking time.

The judiciary system takes lies into account. Doing that while testifying under oath might end poorly. See SBF's trial for reference.

Re: Norwegian ban on Meta behavioral advertising extended to entire EU

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Post by 8fingerlouie »

exabrial wrote: post #3

If i travel to the eu as an American does that mean it’s illegal to track me while present in their territory? Would I be able to sue them and which country would be most favorable for the largest payout if so? I’m happy to write their support team an email letting them know my intentions to travel (lol).

> If i travel to the eu as an American does that mean it’s illegal to track me while present in their territory?

In short, no.

The GDPR is about protecting EU citizens, and only if you reside in the EU (even as a US citizen), the GDPR will be relevant for you.

Re: Norwegian ban on Meta behavioral advertising extended to entire EU

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Post by hackideiomat »

lopis wrote: post #135
xp84 wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Meta wanted those who opt-out of data sharing to have to pay money, which is most likely not legal. I really don't get this attitude. I 100% endorse everyone's right to uninstall every Meta app and never use them, and to block their on-page trackers on third-party websites with an adblocker, all that. But the notion that there should be some sort of EU-protected "Right To Use Facebook For Free"... nah. Using the ap…

I often see this argument that if we'd all pay for services like Facebook, they wouldn't have to charge. Let me offer a counterpoint: if there is money on the table, corporations will get it. Example, you pay for cable, and still get ads. You pay for Netflix and still get Netflix ads in the app. All paid aps harvest and sell your behaviour data. Greed does not permit that money be left on the table.

There are companies that try to align their incentives with the customers incentives by using a certain business model. I pay $25 for a search engine, that costs way less than operating netflix. I would be very shocked if they actually abuse the data they shouldn't collect on me. My point being, this only applies to very big coorps. There are companies that (at least claim to) care about privacy and do not sell off their users.
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