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California employers must reimburse remote workers for all necessary expenses

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Re: California employers must reimburse remote workers for all necessary expenses

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I'm a professional, I buy my own tools whenever possible. Gigabit ethernet, big monitor, nice keyboard, desk, chair, rocket fast machine. I've been remote for 13y. It would be nice to get reimbursed, sure, but also I don't want to deal with the administrivia.

I worked at a remote-first place that made you use your own damn computer! No reimbursement.

Re: California employers must reimburse remote workers for all necessary expenses

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a small expense for employers, and can be a real difference in costs for the employee. I don't think you're correct. If I spend 100% more on heating everyday because I work from home so need to heat 24/7, that's nothing to an employer (100-200$/m) but could be a significant deduction from a family's budget. Meanwhile the employer would have otherwise heated up an office space and paid all bills there. I've been…

We’ll start being asked for utility bills during interviews and recruiters will screen for people with heat pumps. “Candidate must have updated insulation and new windows”

Who's going to background check every candidate's house on order to save up on like, $4000 a year for a very inefficient energy setup?

The worst reality is they will estimate and then cut that expense from your offer. Still, $5000 less for the kind of work offered remote isn't a deal breaker.

Re: California employers must reimburse remote workers for all necessary expenses

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Many young people or those cheering for employee/consumer rights do not seem to understand that this does more net harm than good. For small businesses and startups, this can amount to millions of dollars of additional expenses. Like any economically rational entity, your employer is going to respond by reducing headcount, not hiring in CA anymore, cutting costs in your annual raises, or some combination of the above…

Your claim is baseless right now. How does it do more harm than good?

Here is a realistic scenario. Remote firm needs to hire a new employee in a Pacific time zone for a easy to find role. Employer could choose to target the job posting ad in Oregon, Washington, Nevada, etc. but not California.

Re: California employers must reimburse remote workers for all necessary expenses

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Some quick napkin math: Say you work 100% remote, 8 hours a day. That's 2080 work hours a year, out of 8760 hours. That means you need to be connected to internet, have electricity, etc. 23.74% of the time - let's round that up to 24% Say a worker pays $600 / year for internet, $2400 for electricity / year, and - dunno - $1500 for your cellphone / year. So that's $4500 / year, and your employer must cover approximate…

My company is largely remote at this point and is moving away from CA for cost/tax reasons. For some portion of companies this is just one more reason to move headquarters. That being said, I live in a pretty population dense area and my largest cost by far is dedicated home office space. It would be nice for my company to pay for that but it would have also been nice for them to pay for gas for my commute when I had…

> That being said, I live in a pretty population dense area and my largest cost by far is dedicated home office space. It would be nice for my company to pay for that but it would have also been nice for them to pay for gas for my commute when I had one.

This is probably the best equivalent comparison I've seen in the thread. Paying commute costs vs paying home office costs.

Re: California employers must reimburse remote workers for all necessary expenses

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I'm a professional, I buy my own tools whenever possible. Gigabit ethernet, big monitor, nice keyboard, desk, chair, rocket fast machine. I've been remote for 13y. It would be nice to get reimbursed, sure, but also I don't want to deal with the administrivia.

I worked at a remote-first place that made you use your own damn computer! No reimbursement.

No corp-it spyware at least! And the sky is the limit for how nice of machine you can build/buy.

Re: California employers must reimburse remote workers for all necessary expenses

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I've worked remotely for about 10 years now. I actually don't want my employer covering these expenses. If the employer is covering these expenses it requires me to document the expenses and comply with employer policies related to these expenses. For instance, an employer may mandate what speed of Internet service I am required to have, where I always want the fastest option (gigabit generally) and redundant links.…

I’d go out on a limb here and conjecture that you can still by stuff from your own money without submitting a claim.

Re: California employers must reimburse remote workers for all necessary expenses

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I've worked remotely for about 10 years now. I actually don't want my employer covering these expenses. If the employer is covering these expenses it requires me to document the expenses and comply with employer policies related to these expenses. For instance, an employer may mandate what speed of Internet service I am required to have, where I always want the fastest option (gigabit generally) and redundant links.…

The article talks explicitly about "a reasonable percentage of" bills. So I think it can totally cover the case where you want a top-notch Internet connection for big bucks and they reimburse you up to N dollars per month.

Re: California employers must reimburse remote workers for all necessary expenses

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post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This might give businesses the ammo they need to require the employees to come into the office.

They are required to pay all the necessary expenses in the office too.

Yes, but they have established processes, cost structures and real estate commitments to support that.

Re: California employers must reimburse remote workers for all necessary expenses

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post #132

Many young people or those cheering for employee/consumer rights do not seem to understand that this does more net harm than good. For small businesses and startups, this can amount to millions of dollars of additional expenses. Like any economically rational entity, your employer is going to respond by reducing headcount, not hiring in CA anymore, cutting costs in your annual raises, or some combination of the above…

Fully remote work has always benefited the employer more than the employee, at least financially. Before the pandemic closed my employer's local office space (we were all told just to work from home), part of the employer's budget for each employee included infrastructure costs (office space, furniture, internet access, maybe food, beverages, etc). My salary did not change when I became fully remote, so the company r…

Unless it was already a short-term lease agreement, which is not super common in CRE, chances are your company was still footing the bill for their lease on that office space. Most office space is leased on 5-10 year terms.

Re: California employers must reimburse remote workers for all necessary expenses

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Many young people or those cheering for employee/consumer rights do not seem to understand that this does more net harm than good. For small businesses and startups, this can amount to millions of dollars of additional expenses. Like any economically rational entity, your employer is going to respond by reducing headcount, not hiring in CA anymore, cutting costs in your annual raises, or some combination of the above…

Only a availability heuristic, but I closed 2 consulting contracts that were a _hard_ "no we don't hire contractors" by letting them know I don't live in California.

Conversation changed as soon as they realized I was under AZ law for contracting/consulting services.

I was charging $10k per week, and one contract was a total of 6 months. The total value of that contract was $240k (before my expenses and taxes). That pool of contracting work appears to be closed to CA contractors.

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