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Re: Nota is a language for writing documents, like academic papers and blog posts

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I had read all those comments. What I'm saying that is that re-flowable text is just in a very different class than web pages that auto-translate the text, have animations, or run arbitrary code.

Yes, that's what dynamic means in a frontend dev context. This is a typesetting and document layout context.

No, Nota is not just typesetting and document layout. Things like dynamical code examples, auto-translation, advanced tool-tips, and reader-customizable notation are intended to set it apart from predecessors. In other words, it is different precisely because it does things that would be considered dynamic to a front-end dev.

Re: Nota is a language for writing documents, like academic papers and blog posts

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I don't know the names. They all seem to have the pro Acrobat stuff, but more often use something also bundled with search tools perhaps? Communication between lawyers on opposite "sides" often seems to be by PDF, not source (although sometimes that too) so I imagined they both have working docs kept separate because they don't want to to share some of the markup/comments. I asked one of them about that they claimed…

It's never pdf. You can't easily make corrections on a pdf, never mind major revisions (such as moving sections around). If someone sends me a pdf I ask for a Word document, or convert the pdf to Word myself. Sending someone a pdf is a little like saying "fuck you."

Are you a lawyer ? The workflow i am recalling, nobody is editing pdfs directly.

Re: Nota is a language for writing documents, like academic papers and blog posts

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> in quarto - it's just markdown: > ![Caption](path/to/image.png) > And here is how you do it in TeX: > \begin{figure}[t] > \includegraphics{path/to/image} > \centering > \end{figure} This is not the same thing! The LaTeX equivalent to your markdown would be \includegraphics{path/to/image.png} which is arguably simpler and cleaner than the markdown. The figure environment is unnecessary when you just want to put a fi…

> You only need the figure environment when you want your image to "float" to a random place in your page. Which is also something the Markdown version can't do at all (give fine control over how the image is positioned). You have to use raw HTML plus probably some CSS if you want that.

God, the amount of pain I've had trying to use that "fine-grained control".

Re: Nota is a language for writing documents, like academic papers and blog posts

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WordPerfect called it Reveal Codes.

Which was wonderful. Some (many, a few, who knows?) lawyers have stuck with WordPerfect for this reason.

WordPerfect 5.1 is un-surpassed. If my job was as textually-based as a lawyer's, I'd jump through any hoops necessary to keep it running.

Re: Nota is a language for writing documents, like academic papers and blog posts

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Didn't you say with quarto you had to debug a 5 layer pipeline? I wonder if it's not biasing you here a bit...(stuck fighting "arcane" latex syntax somewhere at 3 in the morning). I'm not saying you should love TeX, but it's a bit like saying you hate assembly language - if you have the wrong abstractions (writing a 3D game or a web page using assembly language) of course the experience will be beyond frustrating. I…

Well, you did ask: https://medium.com/@davidhughjones/tex-must-die-6466725e9ce6

To surmise from your article:

* "It gets in the way. If I open my article in a text editor, I want to see the title, author, abstract and first paragraph." * You feel forced to use it. " One idiot reviewer told me, as a supposedly legitimate critique of my work: “this wasn’t written in TeX”. PhD students are forced to learn it"

Some of your points about escape codes etc. seem contrived, and the alternatives are just more buttons hidden in menus or a bunch of search. I'm not defending \’e but TBH that seems pretty darn logical compared to e.g. hitting a keycombo and searching through a million characters in a unicode table.

The first is a matter of a good editor, the second is true of any system you can be asked to use. I've been forced to use some pretty miserable programs in the past, so I can commiserate.

Hmm. As a PhD student you feel constrained to do something in a way you don't want to. I don't think that's a good enough reason to say something sucks, though. Why do PhD students use it? I'm not one, but I can suspect an answer - print journals. You can/could submit a TeX article and have it relatively seamlessly typeset into a for-print journal.

I don't work with print - I imagine if I did I might seriously consider TeX, and if parts of it legitimately sucked, seek to replace or modify those. Markdown is good enough for the majority of what I need to do. Microsoft Word is my "useless disease program" that all good "computer workers" are forced into using, and they become proud they know how to use templates and bullet formats. For what I typically use documents for, I would tell someone to use TeX before I told them to use Word, a quirky mess of program filled with bugs from a toxic work culture (and I don't need TeX so I don't use it).

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Re: Nota is a language for writing documents, like academic papers and blog posts

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It's never pdf. You can't easily make corrections on a pdf, never mind major revisions (such as moving sections around). If someone sends me a pdf I ask for a Word document, or convert the pdf to Word myself. Sending someone a pdf is a little like saying "fuck you."

Are you a lawyer ? The workflow i am recalling, nobody is editing pdfs directly.

Confetiur. Collegial lawyers don't send each other pdf's. They are impossible to mark up. One "innovation" I have seen is with banks. They do not want their employees to be creative; edge cases don't exist, everything is binary. So the banks issue grids/tables containing a list of questions. The answers are found in the corresponding place on the table. Imagine 7 columns, all containing binary answers: "yes" or "no." Except, everything is not binary. So the 8th column contains, I dunno, 500 words, a minitable, etc., running over page after page. The other columns on these runover pages are blank. And these are all pdf's.
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