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Shell using Fortnite, TikTok, etc. to convince kids fossil fuels are cool

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Post by djhn »

osigurdson wrote: post #136
lpapez wrote: post #108

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Why can't we have both?

Agree. Everyone should have a zero emission Buggati and private jet if they want, that is the future we should be shooting for. However, what I mean is degrowth, Greta type gen z people seem to be somewhat rare.

I feel like this must surely be an observation made from a skewed sample or from within some sort of bubble?

Tbh I don't have any research or polling data on hand, but I seem to remember gen Z being FAR more conscious of the environment (climate change and plastics pollution), their own health (drinking/smoking) and global social issues.

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Post by Gigachad »

salawat wrote: post #176
dottjt wrote: post #133

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The petrol voucher isn't the primary issue. It's using children to sell the petrol voucher.

We're fine with letting Microsoft use them to sell Windows and Office licenses though (through schooling)? Or Google to acclimatize them cloud-first computing + having their data hoovered (also through schooling)? Let's be real here, if you object to youth directed marketing you should have been up in arms loooooong before now. Fact is targeting kids has been basic corporate strategy 101 for decades. Tobacco in media…

Microsoft office isn’t destroying the planet.

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Post by lotsoweiners »

sltkr wrote: post #66
haunter wrote: post #12

> Kids today only care about online free-to-play shooter Fortnite Quite a statement tbh. I thought it’s all Minecraft and Roblox? And even then “only care about” are very strong words

I think all three of those games are already passé for children. The people who grew up on Minecraft and Roblox are now in their twenties. No idea what actual children are playing these days; probably gacha games on their phones or something?

I have an 11 and 6 year old. All they play is Roblox and Minecraft.

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Post by nojvek »

diogenes4 wrote: post #67
hnlmorg wrote: post #49

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This has been the case for a hundred years already. It is why Santa is dressed in red. Why people buy diamond engagement rings. Why cigarettes were readily available for literally decades after they were already known to be harmful. And why American gun control laws have never matured despite all the evidence that proves the status quo isn’t viable.

> And why American gun control laws have never matured despite all the evidence that proves the status quo isn’t viable. Tbh I don't think this has anything to do with marketing. Guns are just a part of our culture regardless of whether we want them to be or not. If we were capable of changing this we'd be capable of doing a hell of a lot of other things, too, instead of sitting on our hands and loudly babbling about…

Guns are part of constitution, really really hard to take it off. It needs super majority, not even a majority suffices.

Amending the constitution is legit really hard.

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Post by ruszki »

chambored wrote: post #204
gray_-_wolf wrote: post #174

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I don't have a problem with people having problems. I have plenty of problems. What I do not like is putting absolute statements like "never seen anything more disgusting". That usually just means you are not looking hard enough. But, the fact that I have a problem with this relativization of everything does not mean I think problems people do not consider "the most disgusting" should not be tackled. Look at my count…

I think they were just speaking hyperbolically…

Hopefully, that’s the case. However, the past decade seems to show us, that if something seems hyperbolic, it’s usually rather serious at the moment. When I was hyperbolic any time in my life, I simply lied even to myself at that given moment, and I believed in that lie until my self-correction didn’t kick in seconds or minutes later. But it’s quite difficult to interpret the current political climate, if most people has such self-correction.

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Post by Clent »

somsak2 wrote: post #164
wiseowise wrote: post #113

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> Guns are just a part of our culture regardless of whether we want them to be or not. "Owning slaves is just a part of our culture regardless of whether we want it to be or not." And I know what you're thinking: "comparing owning guns to owning human beings is wrong". Yes, but saying that something is "our culture" and can't be changes is just plain silly. Especially when it comes to guns.

owning people was never part of the bill of rights

Gun ownership isn't in the constitution, it's an amendment.

However, the constitution does have the 3/5 clause which is 100% about slavery

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Post by aaomidi »

TheLoafOfBread wrote: post #184
aaomidi wrote: post #95

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Or, here’s another idea: a tax on carbon. We are subsidizing fossil fuels by deferring their actual real cost to the future. We can and should stop doing that.

> Or, here’s another idea: a tax on carbon. So more tax on food and energy to the poor. Great idea how to start a riot.

Have you heard of subsidies before?

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Post by Timon3 »

whatever1 wrote: post #97
aaomidi wrote: post #95

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Or, here’s another idea: a tax on carbon. We are subsidizing fossil fuels by deferring their actual real cost to the future. We can and should stop doing that.

Who can impose this global tax you dream of? India currently is smuggling oil out of Russia because they offered a better price.

In 2021, 136 countries agreed to implement a 15% global minimum tax rate. It's not yet implemented, but it should start in ~2025.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_minimum_corporate_tax_r...

A couple of years ago, this was touted as impossible - "who can impose this global tax you dream of?" was said back then as well. Why should it be impossible for countries to come together like this, with agreements to implement tariffs against countries outside the agreement?

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Post by permo-w »

jdpedrie wrote: post #198
permo-w wrote: post #46

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I'd never heard of the Haber process, it was interesting to read about according to wikipedia it cut the required farmland to feed a population in four. obviously it's hard to argue with more food for more people, but it clearly made urbanisation and overpopulation that much easier. quite a brilliant invention of engineering, but is it actually a good thing for a population to grow at that rate?

Easy to say when it’s not your kids dying of starvation.

there are plenty of kids dying of starvation
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