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Narges Mohammadi wins 2023 Nobel Peace Prize

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Post by hef19898 »

bellown wrote: post #133
binarymax wrote: post #103

It would be nice if instead of everyone hating on the prize, we could take a moment and reflect. Think of what this woman and many other women trapped in these regimes are going through, the sacrifices they've made, and the bravery they show to try to make things better. Think the prize is politicized and corrupt? Whatever - it's not about you or your opinion.

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There are subjects were shows that HN is not onpy skewed towards male, but also wealthy, priviledged and mostly white male. With a very healthy dose of SV bubble techbros thrown in the mix.

HN still is one of the last places on the internet one can have interesting discussions. Sometimes so, it feels like is changing...

(I know this change is a age old HN meme)

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Post by trimethylpurine »

muniq wrote: post #131
trimethylpurine wrote: post #85

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This is because civil rights are a Western ideology. They certainly didn't come from ISIS' views on women. Nor from Russia and China, who supported them. Snowden defected to Russia, see above about supporting ISIS. Assange and Manning's exposure literally cost the lives of Afghan families who were working against AQ, another regime that openly oppresses its people's civil rights. I think you might need to have a hard…

The Soviet Union provided more material support against colonialism and apartheid than the United States. Ask Mandela.

That might be true, but it's largely irrelevant. When SA embraced civil rights, it became Western.

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Post by klyrs »

ReptileMan wrote: post #15
nemetroid wrote: post #5

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The same could be said of Martin Luther King.

Martin Luther King won. Iran is still the same. Subtle difference.

This sounds a lot like Trump's dismissal of John McCain. A true coward's take.

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[deleted] wrote: post #207
binarymax wrote: post #103

It would be nice if instead of everyone hating on the prize, we could take a moment and reflect. Think of what this woman and many other women trapped in these regimes are going through, the sacrifices they've made, and the bravery they show to try to make things better. Think the prize is politicized and corrupt? Whatever - it's not about you or your opinion.

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Post by vijayr02 »

screye wrote: post #132
ReptileMan wrote: post #14

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But the world is just as peaceful (or peaceless) as before her activism. Now if she actually overthrew or forced the government to reform - it would be different. But award should be given for results not efforts.

It does feel more like the 'Western moral prize' rather than a Peace Prize. Truth is, the most peaceful transitions are usually military coups. 'Peacefully' won transitions are often the bloodiest. Fear is a terrible thing, but it does lead to effective peace. With the Nobel Peace Prize, it's usually a coin toss between moral martyr, future genocider and someone who did impactful work towards peace. The best example…

Gandhi was never awarded the peace prize. He was nominated in the year he was assassinated. The actual prize was not awarded that year.

https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/themes/mahatma-gandhi-the-...

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Post by fauigerzigerk »

shihab wrote: post #208
fauigerzigerk wrote: post #195

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Arafat was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize for his efforts to make peace in the middle east (as were Shimon Peres and Yitzhak Rabin), not for ceasing his political fight or for giving up his ambitions. He said: "Peace is in our interest: as only in an atmosphere of just peace shall the Palestinian people achieve their legitimate ambition for independence and sovereignty." Narges Mohammadi's fight is a peaceful one as w…

I do not disagree that this was a peaceful move, I rather disagree that Yasser Arafat is an example of someone getting the peace prize despite acting against American/Western interest.

The claim that I responded to was essentially that only opponents of anti-Western regimes ever get the Nobel Peace Price. Arafat is a counter example to that.

Arafat's decision to pursue his goals with political means is neither pro- nor anti-Western/Israeli. It was meant to be pro-Palestinian. Hardliners on both sides hated the idea and unfortunately they have prevailed.

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 »

binarymax wrote: post #103

It would be nice if instead of everyone hating on the prize, we could take a moment and reflect. Think of what this woman and many other women trapped in these regimes are going through, the sacrifices they've made, and the bravery they show to try to make things better. Think the prize is politicized and corrupt? Whatever - it's not about you or your opinion.

If you praise her for her bravery it makes Iran look bad which implicitly makes the West look good and we cannot have that kind of thing around here.

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Post by lostlogin »

the_bookmaker wrote: post #164
bellown wrote: post #133

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Do you really think this recipient isn’t deserving?

I think you’ll find that the peace prize has been political for a very long time.

The giving of it to Kissinger is going to be hard to beat.

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Post by vkou »

1024core wrote: post #193
pipo234 wrote: post #12

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The Nobel Peace Prize has historically been surrounded by the kind of ambivalent feelings you allude to. To name one: Hume & Trimble (1998) was considered ironic because it was viewed as kind of reward for ceasing violence they initially caused. Similar remarks were made in 1993 about Mandela and De Klerk. It can even be argued that Gorbachev and Carter had blood on their hands before becoming saints. Maybe this kind…

Don't forget Obama. He was given the prize before he even did anything. And then he proceeded to bomb the fuck out of Iraq, Syria, etc.

Obama got it for being not-Bush (What a bar to clear!). It was a large middle finger raised by world, as a rebuke to 2001-2008 US foreign policy.

It was disappointing, but unsurprising that 2009-20?? has gone down more or less the same road.

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