Why hate tools?
"Oh I love the hammer and I hate the saw! Stupid saw!"
This doesn't make sense for me.
I doesn't matter if I like to work with objective-C or not, if I need to build an iphone app, it's the tool I've gotta use.
Poll: What's Your Most Disliked Programming Language?
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Re: Poll: What's Your Most Disliked Programming Language?
#212I'm so confused about why C is so liked, while C++ is so disliked. I mean everything you can do in C you can do in C++...Is it because C++ is too high-level for the work that C is primarily used for, and too low level for applications that are better suited for something like Java or Python? I'm a C++ hacker by education, its the language I'm strongest in. It definitely has flaws, but I DEFINITELY enjoy it over C.
Re: Poll: What's Your Most Disliked Programming Language?
#213Earlier quoted context omitted.
The issue is that both C (portable assembler) and Fortran (portable math library) solve some problem pretty well. What problem is it that Java solves well? That is what makes java such a shitty language to program in, for any particular problem you encounter there are much better languages to solve that problem in, C# comes to mind immediately as to what Java should be. Note: Yes I realize that Java has excellent cro…
> Yes I realize that Java has excellent cross platform support and a huge ecosystem Java's cross platform support is awful if you go anywhere beyond Windows, Linux, OS X and Solaris (and even there both OS X and Linux have second-class status at best and suffered from serious issues at least until recently). Even Python and plain old C (if you know how to write portable code) are much more portable than Java ever wil…
This has probably been the most senseless post I will read in a while:
- C only got a memory model in C11. So you can't be sure your code does what you think it does, without compiling and testing with every compiler for every platform you intend to target. - C is a low-level language which has its niche. But most of the time you want quite different features, like runtime monitoring, inspection and debugging. - In C you can't just move your binary to a different architecture and run it there, same thing in Python: You can't just deploy your pyc or pyo files on a different machine and expect it to work, especially not if the versions differ. - You can't even do that for source files: Python breaks compatibility frequently, and because it is dynamically typed, you can't just check the signatures that nothing has changed and chances are you won't even see breaking changes until it crashes at runtime. - Python is not nearly as fast as a decent JVM. - Both languages lack a cross-platform UI toolkit, although yes, AWT and Swing suck, and JavaFX isn't that great either.
I agree though, that the whole "framework" stuff has grown out of proportions in Java. It is just a disease if a simple application ships with 40 MB of JAR files because the developer couldn't write any non-trivial functionality himself.
> IDEs are language smells
This smells like envy from someone whose "favorite" language lacks good IDE support, but yes, Java-the-language is just outdated.
> Java the language is considerably better than Java-the-ecosystem
WUT? Java-the-language is the weakest part. You don't have to use any Java library or framework at all and Hotspot is probably the only freely available VM which is fast, mature and stable.
Re: Poll: What's Your Most Disliked Programming Language?
#214The programming languages that would make me the most sad/angry/annoyed I don't use , so it's difficult to make a choice. I suppose I'll have to go with Javascript because it's the de facto 'Web language' which people use to force me to evaluate arbitrary code whenever I want to read anything on the Web. Even with a sandbox that seems a terrible idea. If we're talking about programming languages I hate but still use…
I'm going to sign in as a partisan here. I firmly believe that Python is the worst language that people actually use. DuckTyping is the most deeply misguided aspect of python. With the discover of Hindley-Milner type inference 40 and 30 years ago, this sort of sloth is simply inexcusable. Pythonistas will say "Oh, I don't care if it's a duck or a swan, as long as it quacks." Guess what? You can treat function calls a…
With fairness, no you can't, not truly. Please point me to the version of HM the works with inheritance. Plus, due to stuff like __getattr__, the interpreter may not know until the method is called if it even exists.
It would be totally possible in python to write a class where when any arbitrary method is called on a class, a function is randomly generated and called, with a random number of arguments, etc. It doesn't even have to be consistent from call to call. How on earth would H-M type inference cope with that?
Re: Poll: What's Your Most Disliked Programming Language?
#215I'm so confused about why C is so liked, while C++ is so disliked. I mean everything you can do in C you can do in C++...Is it because C++ is too high-level for the work that C is primarily used for, and too low level for applications that are better suited for something like Java or Python? I'm a C++ hacker by education, its the language I'm strongest in. It definitely has flaws, but I DEFINITELY enjoy it over C.
Because C is simple and C++ is complex, perhaps. Personally I agree with you, I would always choose C++ if given an option between those two.
Re: Poll: What's Your Most Disliked Programming Language?
#216I'm so confused about why C is so liked, while C++ is so disliked. I mean everything you can do in C you can do in C++...Is it because C++ is too high-level for the work that C is primarily used for, and too low level for applications that are better suited for something like Java or Python? I'm a C++ hacker by education, its the language I'm strongest in. It definitely has flaws, but I DEFINITELY enjoy it over C.
Here's one answer to that: https://lwn.net/Articles/249460/
Re: Poll: What's Your Most Disliked Programming Language?
#217I chose PHP because it's gathers everything I hate about any language in one spot. * It has everything including the kitchen sink but nothing in the decor matches. There is no unifying principle to help you grok the language * The Community is all about quick hacky fixes to already broken code and this approach seems to flow from the core developers out. * It's not type safe, not even at runtime. I don't know if I ev…
I think PHP's main problem on websites like these is that it's too mainstream of a language. It's like asking someone who's an avid fan of world cinema about the latest Michael Bay film. I'm not that interested in programming, so I think it's a great language. All those years back when first learning to use it, I remember going through a book and being so happy that it did practically everything itself.
> I'm not that interested in programming, so I think it's a great language
I think this sums up everyone I've met who actually likes PHP. They like that they are able to get stuff done, and look no further. It is just frustrating to those of us who know that PHP is one of the most poorly designed (and I use that word loosely) languages ever to be successful.
If you can get over the local maximum of getting stuff done in PHP, the grass actually IS greener in Python and Ruby land.
Re: Poll: What's Your Most Disliked Programming Language?
#218I wish AppleScript was an option.
Re: Poll: What's Your Most Disliked Programming Language?
#219Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm going to sign in as a partisan here. I firmly believe that Python is the worst language that people actually use. DuckTyping is the most deeply misguided aspect of python. With the discover of Hindley-Milner type inference 40 and 30 years ago, this sort of sloth is simply inexcusable. Pythonistas will say "Oh, I don't care if it's a duck or a swan, as long as it quacks." Guess what? You can treat function calls a…
With fairness, no you can't, not truly. Please point me to the version of HM the works with inheritance. Plus, due to stuff like __getattr__, the interpreter may not know until the method is called if it even exists. It would be totally possible in python to write a class where when any arbitrary method is called on a class, a function is randomly generated and called, with a random number of arguments, etc. It doesn…
I never said inheritance, or method for that matter.
You can do H-M on typeclasses. Philip Wadler has a paper on it and it's alive and well in GHC:
http://homepages.inf.ed.ac.uk/wadler/topics/type-classes.htm...
The fact that Python allows you to do something absurd is simply an argument against its design.
Edit: Uh oh, looks like I ruffled some snakeskin!
Re: Poll: What's Your Most Disliked Programming Language?
#220Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm going to sign in as a partisan here. I firmly believe that Python is the worst language that people actually use. DuckTyping is the most deeply misguided aspect of python. With the discover of Hindley-Milner type inference 40 and 30 years ago, this sort of sloth is simply inexcusable. Pythonistas will say "Oh, I don't care if it's a duck or a swan, as long as it quacks." Guess what? You can treat function calls a…
With fairness, no you can't, not truly. Please point me to the version of HM the works with inheritance. Plus, due to stuff like __getattr__, the interpreter may not know until the method is called if it even exists. It would be totally possible in python to write a class where when any arbitrary method is called on a class, a function is randomly generated and called, with a random number of arguments, etc. It doesn…
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