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Re: Switching from Chrome to Firefox

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Post by matsemann »

koito17 wrote: post #189

The font rendering problem is very interesting to me because I have always found Firefox to use the same font rendering as the rest of my system, meanwhile Chrome has this universally thin and conspicuous font rendering across all systems I have attempted using it on. I currently use Mac OS and I see no difference between text rendered on Firefox and text rendered in other Mac OS applications, but there is a world of…

I agree. While Chrome's rendering may make the fonts more "elegant" and almost seem to be higher resolution/softer somehow, they are also harder to read and have less contrast.

Re: Switching from Chrome to Firefox

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Post by prmoustache »

thesuitonym wrote: post #81
prmoustache wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most people don't use chrome profiles either, this is definitely a power user functionnality.

I'm not entirely certain this is true. Maybe at one point it was, but nowadays since signing into any Google site signs you into Chrome, a lot of folks have their work and personal email addresses as profiles in Chrome.

Most people just don't troll on hn all day and don't do personnal stuff on their work computer. We are a different kind. I know a lot of people who are afraid of possibly be fired for logging on their webmail with their work computer.

Additionnaly virtually everybody owns a smartphone which is used for the personnal stuff.

Re: Switching from Chrome to Firefox

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Post by janc_ »

sinuhe69 wrote: post #46

Something I didn't find mentioning is increasing the number of parallel connections in Firefox. When I inspect the network and responses of FF, I often find connections were "blocked" (for several hundreds ms). Thus, increasing the number of persistent connections to a server will unblock those connections and allow the website to render much faster. Go to about:config and change: network.http.max-persistent-connecti…

Some web servers might throttle or block you for opening too many parallel connections within a short time, so be careful not to overdo that...

Re: Switching from Chrome to Firefox

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Post by nlunbeck »

jeroenhd wrote: post #151
sinuhe69 wrote: post #46

Something I didn't find mentioning is increasing the number of parallel connections in Firefox. When I inspect the network and responses of FF, I often find connections were "blocked" (for several hundreds ms). Thus, increasing the number of persistent connections to a server will unblock those connections and allow the website to render much faster. Go to about:config and change: network.http.max-persistent-connecti…

This setting is a classic in the "tweak Firefox" blog posts. Increasing connection count will make HTTP 1.1 websites faster, but they'll also cause random rate limiting errors if you increase the value too much. How high you should set this value is up to you, but it's one of the first things you should reset when websites start acting weird in Firefox but not in other browsers.

This is good to know -- I primarily use FF and couldn't narrow down why my site was bugging out but running fine on other browsers. Glad its not a compatibility issue.

Re: Switching from Chrome to Firefox

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Post by krackers »

reaperducer wrote: post #69
matsemann wrote: post #4

I feel this article almost do more harm than good. It paints a picture that you need to "sacrifice" something to use Fx and lists various "problems". For instance it mentions how troublesome it is to use profiles as a "problem". Don't. Use containers. Hundred times more smooth than profiles. Hence why no one cares about making profiles in Fx better, there is already a better solution to the problem profiles solve. Ne…

The thing that keeps me from using Firefox is that it doesn't use certain standard macOS interface methods. That keeps me from using macOS's built-in keybinding system to change tabs with the touch of a function key. Every other program I use from Finder to my database manager allows me to switch tabs with one button. Firefox has no way to accomplish this, which would make it an interruption to my muscle memory and t…

There's a way to rebind keys in Firefox, but it's extremely convoluted: something about editing omni.ja. I feel like Firefox goes out of its way to make it impossible for you to do so. Not to mention that they also go out of their way to be hostile to extension developers (unlike Chrome where you can just load an unpacked extension, with Firefox they impose the arbitrary limit that it gets removed after a restart).

Also they don't seem to care one bit about user experience (in the genuine sense). There's a long-standing bug open for > 10yrs that Firefox does not disable sleep when uploading or downloading files. The day that I started a long-running downloaded and came back to find that my laptop had gone to sleep before it even hit 5% was when I uninstalled Firefox in a rage.

Re: Switching from Chrome to Firefox

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Post by Zardoz84 »

TonyTrapp wrote: post #26
dataflow wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Never had problems with font rendering Okay, so what's the logical conclusion here? That the person is lying? The font rendering is very much off, some people just don't notice or don't care. Denying something others see with their own eyes doesn't help anybody.

As a 15+ years Firefox user: What is "very much off" about Firefox' font rendering? For me it's the opposite, Chrome's rendering looks completely off to me - thin and it looks like the ClearType effect is set to 11. On the other hand, Firefox' font rendering in that screenshot looks like native Windows font rendering to me.

I had a work companion that was using Chrome rendering the text in a really ugly way on Windows. We never discovered why it was doing that. It only got fixed when the sys admin updated to Windows 10.

Re: Switching from Chrome to Firefox

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Post by bebop »

neals wrote: post #13

I've always found the Firefox devtools be a little less 'quality of life' like. Just my opinion. Haven't used it in a few years. But for me, I just live in devtools, you know. As most of you here, probably. Opinions?

I generally agree, I have however always found CORS issues easier to understand in the Firefox DevTools.

Re: Switching from Chrome to Firefox

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Post by bobbylarrybobby »

AnonC wrote: post #129
pseudotrash wrote: post #5

I love Firefox. The only time I struggle it's because it is the only browser today that correctly implements CORS. This is a good thing. But it means broken middle boxes and MiTM enterprise tech (like Zscaler) should fix their stuff rather than pointing their smelly fingers at Firefox. Mozilla should up its game in educating the public that Edge and Chrome aren't following the standards correctly. This seems IMHO pre…

> Mozilla should up its game in educating the public that Edge and Chrome aren't following the standards correctly. I don’t think most people care about this. What they may care about is whether something works on their default browser, which is likely to be Edge or Safari or Chrome. Mozilla should instead target Microsoft and Google on the standards tracks and in forums where discussions on standards (and on securit…

Yeah, never gonna happen. The same reason browsers support broken markup: users are much happier when their browser works in the face of noncompliant sites than if it were to throw its hands up and say “this site doesn't work, use ”

Re: Switching from Chrome to Firefox

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Post by bobbylarrybobby »

jeffhuys wrote: post #16
jrm4 wrote: post #8

Do people live in their browsers like that? I find it useful to keep both. 95% of the time I'm in Firefox, as one should be -- with all the good adblockers etc. And for the 5% unavoidable garbage of "things I must use/sign up for in life" that don't implement things properly, including Zoom, I keep Chrome around.

If you or a random reader is on MacOS, try out Orion - a Safari fork that has support for both Chrome AND Firefox plug-ins. I can't stop using Safari... I know, I'm a dying breed, and people at work were (and still are) a bit weirded out by it, but if you're like me, Orion is a very nice alternative if you want "real" adblockers (and 10000s of other plugins) at your disposal!

I love safari, I find its UI leaps and bounds ahead of other browsers (with brave a close second).

Re: Switching from Chrome to Firefox

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Post by bmicraft »

qwertox wrote: post #106
thesuitonym wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not entirely certain this is true. Maybe at one point it was, but nowadays since signing into any Google site signs you into Chrome, a lot of folks have their work and personal email addresses as profiles in Chrome.

Also from what I've noted is that when you sign into a secondary account on the main profile's account, Chrome is prompting you if you don't want it to create a new profile for you. Then again, they have the problem that they think that it's appropriate to open the last used profile if you start Chrome again, which can lock out inexperienced users out of the other profile since they don't know how to get that one sta…

> For me the normal solution of creating separate profiles in Firefox is to use Firefox Portable and have each profile live in their own directory / installation.

That seems a bit overkill to me. Creating profiles can be done at about:profiles and starting a profile with a shortcut to firefox --profile $PROFILENAME. Not sure how that could be simpler

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