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Re: The Yandex leak: How a Russian search giant uses consumer data

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Post by NicoJuicy »

andreygrehov wrote: post #183
darthrupert wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course we are focusing on the Russian part. Russia has made themselves the enemy of the west, so their spying is several factors more serious case than just a simple violation of privacy.

> Russia has made themselves the enemy of the west Well, either that or the west has decided that Russia is the enemy. I honestly don't buy the saying "Russia has made themselves the enemy of the west". Why would anybody want to be the enemy of the global superpower?

Dictators like Putin don't rule by normal logic.

In this case it's imperialism:

- Donbas: rich on natural resources

- Crimea: large amount of gas was found in 2008. Project by shell was ready in late 2013.

They invaded in 2014.

Re: The Yandex leak: How a Russian search giant uses consumer data

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Post by pphysch »

cpursley wrote: post #125
unsupp0rted wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whatever a person's stance on ongoing political events or active conflicts, punishing them en masse for choosing to be born on the wrong side of an arbitrary border is nonsensical.

And it’s antithetical to western values. Historically, we don’t do collective punishment - yet here we are.

Ethnic cleansing of North America, Slave codes, yellow peril, Japanese internment, red scare, islamophobia, red scare 2.0 (ongoing), yellow peril 2.0 (ongoing)

And that's just USA.

What is "historically" supposed to mean here?

Re: The Yandex leak: How a Russian search giant uses consumer data

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Post by pphysch »

cynicalsecurity wrote: post #194
pphysch wrote: post #189

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IMHO it is only appropriate to call someone "insane" after genuinely trying to understand their actions and motivations.

Go try to genuinely understand the actions and motivations of Nazi Germans. Good luck, mate.

Hitler literally wrote a book on his motivations. He was an insane ideologue and demagogue, based on his writings, actions, and speech.

You don't need Anne Applebaum screeds, boosted Reddit comments and a expertly-curated media bubble to determine that Hitler was insane.

Re: The Yandex leak: How a Russian search giant uses consumer data

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Post by dragonwriter »

andreygrehov wrote: post #210
dragonwriter wrote: post #209

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> According to François Hollande (who served as President of France from 2012 to 2017), the West has been pumping Ukraine with weapons since 2014. From my point of view, this is a provocation. If it's not for you, please explain why Its not a provocation because it was a response to the Russian invasion of Ukraine in 2014, which included the occupation of Crimea, and the introduction of Russian troops and Russian-spo…

I appreciate your response. It sounds like you familiar with the topic. You described the core of the problem as the response to a certain event (events in Crimea), meaning you answered the question of "why". Having said that, could you apply the same reasoning and explain why Russia occupied Crimea? What were the events that led to such an outcome? Edit: as a side note, I disagree with you saying that was not a prov…

> You described the core of the problem as the response to a certain event (events in Crimea)

The 2014 invasion of Ukraine was not, and I did not describe it as, limited to events in Crimea.

> Having said that, could you apply the same reasoning and explain why Russia occupied Crimea

I will not pretend to explain the agressors’ reasoning, but the context was that it was immediately after the people of Ukraine drove out their former Russian-aligned leader.

> External military intervention IS a provocation.

It can’t provoke a war that starts before it occurs, and arms deliveries are not military intervention.

Re: The Yandex leak: How a Russian search giant uses consumer data

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Post by the-printer »

speed_spread wrote: post #154
alwayslikethis wrote: post #116

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I have a better way to frame this. A hostile country is less interested in low profile users and is not as able/willing to use the data it collects against the user. Committed tax evasion / breach of contract / fraud? Russia is much less likely to care than your own government.

You're framing it wrong. They _care_ very much. They even have a word for it! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kompromat

For what it's worth, the examples given on that page are either domestic instances or do not, as your parent comment describes, involve low profile individuals.

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Post by talldatethrow »

oneshtein wrote: post #188
talldatethrow wrote: post #89

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[flagged]

What you actually do to protect sacred 1991 borders of Ukraine? Are you helping children, who lost parts of their body, for example?

That was tongue in cheek/sarcasm. I think it's insane people are dying for this.

Re: The Yandex leak: How a Russian search giant uses consumer data

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Post by andreygrehov »

dragonwriter wrote: post #214
andreygrehov wrote: post #210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I appreciate your response. It sounds like you familiar with the topic. You described the core of the problem as the response to a certain event (events in Crimea), meaning you answered the question of "why". Having said that, could you apply the same reasoning and explain why Russia occupied Crimea? What were the events that led to such an outcome? Edit: as a side note, I disagree with you saying that was not a prov…

> You described the core of the problem as the response to a certain event (events in Crimea) The 2014 invasion of Ukraine was not, and I did not describe it as, limited to events in Crimea. > Having said that, could you apply the same reasoning and explain why Russia occupied Crimea I will not pretend to explain the agressors’ reasoning, but the context was that it was immediately after the people of Ukraine drove o…

> I will not pretend to explain the agressors’ reasoning

Huh? That's strange. A deep dive is always important.

> the context was that it was immediately after the people of Ukraine drove out their former Russian-aligned leader

This is a media-like description of what happened there. From the perspective of the law, it doesn't matter (and therefore should not be even mentioned) whether the leader was Russian-aligned or not. You are not trying to understand the issue, but simply reiterating on what they say in the mainstream media. I'm Ukrainian btw.

Re: The Yandex leak: How a Russian search giant uses consumer data

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Post by azangru »

RugnirViking wrote: post #134
azangru wrote: post #12

Another example of political language from the article, in addition to what was described in a sibling comment: > Do we want, at a time when Russia is considering the UK as an enemy, to be providing all our personal details to a server in Moscow? Not "at a time when the UK considers Russia as an enemy". There is something of a Russell conjugation here.

in this case it just makes sense to write it that way though? leading you to consider, primarily, that the russians might try to do something with the information, rather than an abstract "we think they're probably bad". Like sure its leading you but imo its leading you to consider the actual issue rather than unrelated questions

> rather than an abstract "we think they're probably bad".

I think this is the inflection they actually used when they talked about Huawei routers.

Re: The Yandex leak: How a Russian search giant uses consumer data

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Post by winrid »

slashdev wrote: post #176
oneshtein wrote: post #173

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They may send killers just for you. For example, they are killing Holodomor researchers around the world (genocide of Ukrainians in 1932-1934: 25 millions were starved to death, 20 millions are recorded as Russian, millions were killed or executed).

No, they won’t, because I’m nobody to them. If you’re some kind of public enemy of Russia, maybe don’t use Russian services of any variety.

Your character arc is just getting started :)

Re: The Yandex leak: How a Russian search giant uses consumer data

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Post by oneshtein »

talldatethrow wrote: post #216
oneshtein wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What you actually do to protect sacred 1991 borders of Ukraine? Are you helping children, who lost parts of their body, for example?

That was tongue in cheek/sarcasm. I think it's insane people are dying for this.

If a killer will break-in a house and kill someone, it's not about doors or walls.
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