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The cloud is a prison. can the local-first software movement set us free?

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Re: The cloud is a prison. can the local-first software movement set us free?

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Isn't that what email and mailing lists are for?

They are hosting monthly meet-ups - mini conferences - with video chat and presentations. Not local first solution to that yet.

For the uploaded videos, perhaps PeerTube? For live presentations... could Jitsi suffice?

Re: The cloud is a prison. can the local-first software movement set us free?

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post #68

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Sure. Come back to us in twelve months. Either the company will have lost control of their spending and be sending 6-7 figure paychecks towards AWS. Or the ops team will have clamped down on the accounts and now you have to go trough the same process to get EC2 instances and other cloud resources. Solving cultural problems with technology generally doesn't work.

> Solving cultural problems with technology generally doesn't work. That's a ridiculous statement! Technology is the prime driver of culture! If you want to effect lasting change, the last thing you should do is try to convince people you are right. Set up the technical infrastructure to support the culture you want! In fact, it's the reverse — culture has practically no impact on technology once deployed.

Right. The society today is defined by technology. I like to call it "the smartphone society" instead of "the modern society" or whatever.

Re: The cloud is a prison. can the local-first software movement set us free?

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the cloud is a failure of the internet originally we were all going to be able to host our own stuff in our closets, the 'intelligence' goes in the edges. then the industrialists went full-cloud on this idea. and the 'intelligence' got concentrated in a few gigantic industrial warehouses. but it sure feels more orderly this way. why spread the load when you can focus it and centralize it?

> originally we were all going to be able to host our own stuff in our closets, the 'intelligence' goes in the edges. This would have required fiber to the home with symmetric upload and ipv6 and ISPs not blocking all the ports. In the US, the vast majority of people still only have access to a crappy coaxial cable broadband connection, where they allocate a few Mb/s upload to a whole neighborhood. The lack of that b…

I've lived in country where symmetric Ethernet connection is norm for ~15 years (yes, 15 years ago it was something like 10/10 Mbit/s and now it is 100/100 or even more Mbit/s) and white, unfiltered, static IPv4 costs about +$2/month as option.

Yes, it is for big city, but even small ones have something comparable, maybe slower like "3 years ago in big city".

Typical ISP firewall for these IPs are "Port 25 is closed". And it's all.

One problem - typically you can not get good PTR record, your back-resolve will be something like "ip12-45-67.pool34.isp.tld", which is pity for SMTP, but irrelevant for all other protocols.

Unfortunately, this country has started bloody war, and now I'm living in civilized 1-st world country with crappy DOCSIS connection and without static IP :(

Re: The cloud is a prison. can the local-first software movement set us free?

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post #139

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Yonz here, I run the community and can be blamed for the 20+ swipes at the discord choice. We started in February 2023, and it has been amazing to see the now ~1k developers coming together and building awesome collaborations like Tinybase + Cr-sqlite. Yes, we need a community platform aligned with our mission, but it is already hard enough to get people together. Before the website or the discord, it was just a bunc…

The effectiveness of using Discord for your community is a fact that undermines the community's only purpose. You use Discord as a stepping stone because it works, but if you don't prioritize moving off of it to an effective replacement above any and all more costly efforts and issues, it's hard to believe in the authenticity of purpose. I'm not implying here that you are not prioritizing moving on (how would I know)…

Aside, a related concept:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prefigurative_politics

"modes of organization and social relationships that strive to reflect the future society being sought by the group. According to Carl Boggs, who coined the term, the desire is to embody "within the ongoing political practice of a movement [...] those forms of social relations, decision-making, culture, and human experience that are the ultimate goal". Besides this definition, Leach also gave light to the definition of the concept stating that the term "refers to a political orientation based on the premise that the ends a social movement achieves are fundamentally shaped by the means it employs, and that movement should therefore do their best to choose means that embody or prefigure the kind of society they want to bring about". Prefigurativism is the attempt to [act] [prefigurativly]."

P.S. FWIW, as far as it stands, Zulip is the least annoying Discord alternative (and eventually Matrix might become better/non-slow).

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