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GNU Boot sent a cease and desist to Libreboot

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Re: GNU Boot sent a cease and desist to Libreboot

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Post by phh »

opan wrote: post #137
catboybotnet wrote: post #75

Functional code is better than non-functional code. What good is libreboot if you can't use it? You're more than welcome to use the now-maintained notgnuboot.vimuser.org or libreboot censored if you hate binary blobs, and are also more than welcome to try to find hardware that doesn't have closed source blobs built in. I love free software, and will never stop, but "Libre" is only great in a vacuum.

I have come around on the driver blob issue a bit in recent years. Something using software blobs can be RE'd and become fully free someday, but is not FSF-approved until it is. Burn the same blobs into the hardware where they can't be changed and the FSF approves because "it's as good as it can get", however they're really about equal levels of freedom, and the software one can become better later on, so it starts t…

> Somewhat related, I think the Apple Silicon MacBooks will end up replacing many people's old ThinkPads someday thanks to the work from the Asahi team. (A bit early right now, especially if you have one newer than an M1.)

That sounds a bit weird to me: reading Asahi blog posts, it sounds like Asahi are doing little hardware drivers, rather a lot of RPCs, because most hardware features are behind some other CPU running proprietary firmware. (Loaded by bootloader stages before Asahi if I followed correctly)

Re: GNU Boot sent a cease and desist to Libreboot

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Post by nineteen999 »

Forgeties79 wrote: post #196
lodovic wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's why "Sir, please don't raise your voice" is so condescending and just a way to make it look like the other party is escalating.

The number of times I’ve seen people having a discussion with somebody online and they respond with “bro, calm down“ when the person has used no caps lock, no exclamation points, no particularly vitriolic language, is staggering and incredibly irritating.

The obvious solution to this: spend less time reading pointless online arguments, and go outside and touch grass.

Re: GNU Boot sent a cease and desist to Libreboot

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Post by wkat4242 »

tpush wrote: post #151
lelanthran wrote: post #138

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> and yet people love apple That doesn't minimise the impact of open-source software. I've yet to see an Apple user who doesn't install brew as a first step before doing anything with their computer. From what I see, people may love Apple's OS, but they can't use it with without open-source tools.

> I've yet to see an Apple user who doesn't install brew as a first step before doing anything with their computer. Most Apple users don't even know what brew is, and I'd be willing to bet that most devs using Macs don't install it either. Anyway, the larger point that gnome can't succeed because it doesn't offer "choice" is nonsense.

I didn't say it can't succeed. Just that KDE is a better (and more powerful) desktop. Gnome obviously suits some people The problem is the people whom it doesn't suit, they can't change anything. They are beholden to the choices made by Gnome's developer team. That will never suit everyone. Of course extensions are a thing but they tend to cause conflicts between them and not be updated to work with newer Gnome versions quickly enough.

I moved away from Apple too for this reason in fact.

Re: GNU Boot sent a cease and desist to Libreboot

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Post by wkat4242 »

pmontra wrote: post #163
raverbashing wrote: post #159

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Yes Because Preview works, KPDF works and Gview behaved weird or in the wrong way most of the time Apple builds the automatic car by removing the gear shift, Gnome builds it by removing the gas pedal and just having a button called "Go" which makes you go at 10mph

Not my experience. I have a Gnome desktop that maybe a Gnome developer have a hard time to recognize as such. It works as I want and I keep the convenience of being able to Google problems and solutions of a mainstream desktop (KDE being the other one) and not a more or less obscure one. This means that under the hood, using extensions, you can customize that Gnome car. Can an Apple automatic car do that as easily?

Extensions aren't great though. I tried using Gnome that way for a while but some extensions cause conflicts between one another and in many cases they are not updated in a timely manner when a new gnome version comes out.

In contrast, KDE also supports extensions but I've never needed any because it's so configurable.

Re: GNU Boot sent a cease and desist to Libreboot

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Post by Dah00n »

1000bestlives wrote: post #198
Dah00n wrote: post #176

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There's absolutely nothing laudable in that at all and it screams of drama queen. "Lesser coders" - well that's is one person I'd avoid at all cost. Also, empty barrels make the most noise!

Dramaphobic, and probably transphobic to boot. You need to be better than you are right now.

It says a lot that you see an aversion to drama as a bad thing. I have no idea what transphobic got to do with anything, but I'm not surprised someone who apparently has a drama fetish throws it around.

Re: GNU Boot sent a cease and desist to Libreboot

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Post by bombolo »

IshKebab wrote: post #150
bombolo wrote: post #117

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and yet people love apple

People love Apple because it makes very high quality hardware, and its software is generally very reliable. They don't really like that you can't configure things. They just put up with it. There's a whole industry of little apps that let you fix things about MacOS that doesn't really exist on Windows. Rectangle, Karabiner Elements, SteerMouse, SteerMouse, etc. Gnome copies the worst things about MacOS.

My macbook had severe cooling problems, which became worse when the fan broke.

Apple are designed to look cool, not to BE cool.

Re: GNU Boot sent a cease and desist to Libreboot

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Post by bombolo »

raverbashing wrote: post #159
bombolo wrote: post #117

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and yet people love apple

Yes Because Preview works, KPDF works and Gview behaved weird or in the wrong way most of the time Apple builds the automatic car by removing the gear shift, Gnome builds it by removing the gas pedal and just having a button called "Go" which makes you go at 10mph

> Apple builds the automatic car by removing the gear shift

Which, btw, means that you can never overtake anyone while going up, unless your engine is 2x of the power it'd need with gears.

Re: GNU Boot sent a cease and desist to Libreboot

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Post by 0dayz »

slabity wrote: post #208
0dayz wrote: post #190

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I was completely unaware of this, and yet they collaborate with each other? Do you have potential sources for this?

> and yet they collaborate with each other? Libreboot use to be part of the GNU project, but I'm not aware of any collaboration after the fact. I just know the primary author/maintainer of Libreboot had a falling out with the FSF and GNU project. I don't think they ever reconciled (and I'm not sure they will at this point). As for the cause of their falling out, this happened around 2016 when the FSF let go of a tran…

I see, it sound indeed a bit more nuanced than just drama.

Thanks for sharing!

Re: GNU Boot sent a cease and desist to Libreboot

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Post by raverbashing »

bombolo wrote: post #217
raverbashing wrote: post #159

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Yes Because Preview works, KPDF works and Gview behaved weird or in the wrong way most of the time Apple builds the automatic car by removing the gear shift, Gnome builds it by removing the gas pedal and just having a button called "Go" which makes you go at 10mph

> Apple builds the automatic car by removing the gear shift Which, btw, means that you can never overtake anyone while going up, unless your engine is 2x of the power it'd need with gears.

It means it is an automatic car, not that you're stuck in the same gear

Re: GNU Boot sent a cease and desist to Libreboot

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Post by marci »

nineteen999 wrote: post #212
Forgeties79 wrote: post #196

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The number of times I’ve seen people having a discussion with somebody online and they respond with “bro, calm down“ when the person has used no caps lock, no exclamation points, no particularly vitriolic language, is staggering and incredibly irritating.

The obvious solution to this: spend less time reading pointless online arguments, and go outside and touch grass.

to keep in line with the topic of communication styles and assumptions, this reads (to me) like a long version "bro, calm down" :).
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