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Climate records tumble, leaving Earth in uncharted territory – scientists

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Re: Climate records tumble, leaving Earth in uncharted territory – scientists

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Post by Incipient »

tuatoru wrote: post #146
noduerme wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just stop having babies.

Just stop othering the problem. Look in the mirror. Have you been on a plane? Do you use motor transport? Does your home have electricity? The problem is you, not some baby in a country where people consume in a year what an American does in a day.

> Does your home have electricity?

Dumb arguments like this do more harm to the climate change cause than anything else. It comes across as an unreasonable and uneducated point of view that no one listens to.

Re: Climate records tumble, leaving Earth in uncharted territory – scientists

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Post by Incipient »

seu wrote: post #17
H8crilA wrote: post #4

At which point do you think humanity will start seriously thinking about radical solutions? Such as detonating thermonuclear weapons to throw enough dust above the troposphere to cool the planet down? I'm thinking we're still really far away. Migration from areas that become uninhabitable is still weak. And it doesn't look like any state that has substantial military/commercial/political power is interested in starti…

> At which point do you think humanity will start seriously thinking about radical solutions? You mean, like, switching to a vegan diet, using public transport and stop flying? Those seem radical enough for most people in the Northern Hemisphere. > Such as detonating thermonuclear weapons to throw enough dust above the troposphere to cool the planet down? Weird world, one in which people can consider drastically chan…

Even by environmentalist website estimates, eggs, milk, chicken, and pork are 4x or so more than some crops. Going vegan is just the wrong avenue to target climate change.

That'll take a monumental effort, for a fairly minor impact. "eat less beef" sure.

People leaving the aircon on 24/7. Horribly uninsulated homes, buying and returning hundreds of items.

But ultimately, it's a shift to renewables+storage/nuclear that has to happen.

Pushing for people to go vegan is essentially counter-productive.

Re: Climate records tumble, leaving Earth in uncharted territory – scientists

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Post by YeBanKo »

Every time this comes up, mostly people talk about driving less, eating less meat, etc. How about we fix stuff instead of throwing it out? In early 2000s my parents bought a washer machine, it still runs, it does run pretty well, then had to repair heating element at least once, but it runs just fine even now. It’s has every cycle you can possibly have. We had to replace our bosch after about 8 years of use. I can’t buy spare parts. Had to replace drain pump twice, not there is a hose that cracked and I just can’t buy a replacement with matching connector. Similar stories for a microwave, fridge, dishwasher, laptops and even vacuum cleaner.

We need to force manufacturers to make things fixable. And mandate certain level of support for spare parts and batteries.

Same with all types of connectors. I wish the US passed the passed the law requiring common charging port, common audio port(audio jack was perfect), etc. Audio jack removal by Apple and subsequently Google is an atrocity.

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Post by YeBanKo »

beefield wrote: post #54
bmitc wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The "radical" solutions are not just throwing more technology at the problems. That's how we got ourselves into this mess in the first place. The solution is to stop mindless consumption. We use the same material to wrap and bake food and drink unhealthy drinks as we do to build airplanes. We use plastic for use cases that take place over seconds and minutes and then throw it away. We drive everywhere because of poor…

> It's almost silly how simple the real solutions are. Simple? Real ? Let me give you some numbers. Let's use electricity as a proxy for consumption[1]. Average global per capita electricity consumption is currently about 3000 kWh/a. To put that into context, you can drive your environmentally friendly EV (20kWh/100km) roughly 15 000 km (10 000 miles) and use no more electricity at anything during the year. US electr…

We are a family of four and yearly electricity consumption with working from home was around 6000 kWh. Your numbers for the US consumption are wrong.

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Post by beefield »

YeBanKo wrote: post #214
beefield wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's almost silly how simple the real solutions are. Simple? Real ? Let me give you some numbers. Let's use electricity as a proxy for consumption[1]. Average global per capita electricity consumption is currently about 3000 kWh/a. To put that into context, you can drive your environmentally friendly EV (20kWh/100km) roughly 15 000 km (10 000 miles) and use no more electricity at anything during the year. US electr…

We are a family of four and yearly electricity consumption with working from home was around 6000 kWh. Your numbers for the US consumption are wrong.

1. Did you calculate in your per capita share of commercial/industrial use? 2. Feel free to provide more accurate numbers with a source.

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Post by Obscurity4340 »

_l4jh wrote: post #94

Anecdotal story time. We have a family villa in Spain about an hour and a half south of Alicante. We just got back from two weeks there like we do every year. The heat and humidity this time was the first time it was too much so that we didn’t enjoy our time there. We’ve had this place 21 years. Yes it’s Spain and it’s always hot which is why we bought it but this year was something else. The mix of both very high te…

How much do you think you could get for it on the market? Is that in consideration after your experience this year?

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Post by uxcolumbo »

bevesce- wrote: post #209
uxcolumbo wrote: post #105

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Do you think that only animal flesh derived foods are tasty? It's about cutting out food that create the biggest damage to our biosphere, which is the large scale meat & dairy industry. RE: Why not go all the way, select handful of optimal foods and only allow those to be sold or grown. [...] ban everything not mandatory like spices and herbs. This is not about banning meat & dairy. And you can't seriously compare me…

I'm eating vegetarian food most of the time, with an exception from time to time. I've tried doing vegan. Vegan food can be tasty or even very tasty. No vegan food is as good as steak or cheese. Another thing is that I have no idea how to eat enough protein, on vegan diet, without feeling terrible.

Respect for trying. Don't feel the pressure having to change all at once. You can gradually reduce.

Cheese is actually not that good for you [0], but yes it's tasty.

Plant based foods provide enough protein for athletes and body builders. [1] [2]

[0] https://www.pcrm.org/good-nutrition/nutrition-information/he...

[1] https://www.pcrm.org/good-nutrition/nutrition-information/pr...

[2] https://gamechangersmovie.com/

Re: Climate records tumble, leaving Earth in uncharted territory – scientists

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Post by zx90 »

noduerme wrote: post #88
psychphysic wrote: post #61

No one is really interested in doing the work to slow global warming. - Build nuclear power plants everywhere . Yes even in countries like Iran and North Korea - Don't subsidize fossil fuel use by any mechanism. Yes dropping the Russian fuel cap. - Make reducing emissions a priority that means it comes first in consideration. Yes ahead of Uighurs in China, Women in Iran and Afghanistan. You will not get everything yo…

Just stop having babies.

It's already happening: https://youtu.be/A6s8QlIGanA

Re: Climate records tumble, leaving Earth in uncharted territory – scientists

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Post by noduerme »

xboxnolifes wrote: post #199
noduerme wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is like if I said "stop buying Bitcoin" and you were like "why not just set all your money on fire?"

No it's not. It's like if you said to stop making Bitcoin miners, and they said to intentionally sabotage existing Bitcoin miners.

Fine point. I was trying to leave mining out of it.

Anyway, an argument towards stopping future use and abuse of a broken system is not equivalent to an argument to destroy existing structures. The former is corrective; the latter is revolutionary. Revolutions are stupid and useless because they always result in a new iteration of the existing problem.

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Post by anothernewdude »

candiodari wrote: post #188
anothernewdude wrote: post #84

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I'm happy with remote working.

Energy is why we burn fossil fuels. Energy is an input to everything. So this is about less consumption, or to put it another way: a drop in income. Let's say 10% less income for you, without you getting any compensation for it in any way. Other than reduced global climate impact. Of course, you'd have to actually destroy that 10%, if you leave it on a bank account the bank would lend it, or the government would use…

Inflation has done that already.
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