Is that legal?
If not, then i'm sure IBM legal team will hop on this...But, i think its pretty legal. (Please note; i am not a lawyer.)
SUSE is forking RHEL
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#212They should call the new distro Green Hat btw, i hope they do that
I'm with you, that would be cute! But that might be too on the nose...However, green beret or olive cap might be cooler! Either way, yeah, they should name it something related to headwear with a green-ish color.
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#213Don't get me wrong, I am very happy with this announcement, however it bothers me slightly when I see these kind of announcements with the tone of "we love open source and we want to give this to the community" when the rationale for this probably was "RHEL is going to lose a bunch of customers and we can profit off of that". If it was a non-profit they might convince me but as a Linux for enterprise-kind of company…
Likewise it grinds my gears when people think that a company should just do things to do them. At the end of the day they need to make a profit to be sustainable, to pay employees, to perform R&D, keep the lights on, etc. Altruism isn't enough on its own. Why not both? Capitalizing on customers who need a solution while also helping the community? Not preparing for an influx of new business is a foolish business deci…
That is the freemium model and more or less the model that I thought the open source community had long ago agreed was acceptable. Open source development for free is cool with what spare time you have, but at a certain point you have to pay your own bills to keep a roof over your head, food in your belly, maintain your health, and actually be able to enjoy your life. Value added features and support have long been the way open source companies have been able to do that.
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#214This is just a weak PR statement. Alma and Rocky already revealed that these things are not trivial to maintain and I fail to see beyond pure fork how on earth would SUSE maintain RHEL compatibility and avoid litigation from IBM at the same time.
And then SUSE might be sold off again to some predatory company similar to IBM. What's even the point then of not using pure community distros like Debian?
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#215Did SUSE coordinate this announcement With Oracle? Because they also announced similar thing yesterday https://www.oracle.com/news/announcement/blog/keep-linux-ope...
Oracle talking about "open and free". Didn't think I would live to see that happening...
Oracle today is what Microsoft was 15 years ago. It would be shocking to see Oracle resemble what Microsoft is today to open source, but I'm not holding my breath for it.
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#216Did SUSE ever publicly address the claims of antisemitism within the company?
Unsubstantiated claims from a single ex-employee. If the claims had merit he should have taken his evidence to the German government instead of a blog rant.
Did they ever issue a release saying, that they were baseless claims by an ex employee?
It's a bad look to say absolutely nothing.
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#217I'm continually baffled that so many companies follow RHEL compatibility to this day. I've been using Linux for nearly 30 years. Admining as a profession for at least a quarter of that. 20 years ago, it made a ton of sense. Today, less so. The 'stable version but we backport patches' mantra doesn't make any sense today. I can't even describe how many things that have broken that you can't even find an answer for beca…
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#218Earlier quoted context omitted.
They abandoned CentOS, created CentOS Stream which has its own set of issues, mostly you need to send an email to the actual package maintainer to remind them to update the package. And now the package sources are held behind a subscription portal. This is being hostile towards open source. And as someone else pointed out, the reason we're mad at Red Hat is because they were built because of the open source community…
No, that's not being hostile towards open source. It's being indifferent towards people who want all your beer to be free. Red Hat is contributing upstream of RHEL in three different ways (actual upstream, Fedora, CentOS Stream). Asking for even more is nothing but entitlement. > there is a correlation here and it's not just a coincidence. There is obviously a time correlation, but whether it's a coincidence or not y…
> Red Hat is contributing upstream of RHEL in three different ways (actual upstream, Fedora, CentOS Stream). Asking for even more is nothing but entitlement.
I heard that a lot of RHEL packages are actually built from Fedora repos, which are maintained by voluntary contributors. Did Red Hat ask those maintainers if they are okay with providing the source for their RPMs behind a paywall? They didn't, and some Fedora maintainers even orphaned their packages as result of this change.
Like someone said, when big companies use free software and give nothing back, business as usual, but when it's the other way around suddenly it's unbelievable that people are taking products for free and not giving a single cent back to those same companies that exploit FLOSS!
I don't understand how can someone back Red Hat and find it totally okay that a company that was built on open source and essentially became what it is today because of the open source community that it created, is now giving a huge middle finger to that same community that made them what they are today.
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#219I've always had a fondness for SuSE. My first experience with Linux was a boxed set of SuSE 7.3 (released in 2001 with Kernel 2.4!) purchased at a Borders book store in Glendale, CA. My dad taught me how to quit vim, use make to install software, etc. I haven't used it since then - Debian convert thru and thru - but I keep meaning to take Tumbleweed for a spin as I hear great things about it.
I switched to Tumbleweed last weekend. Coming from Fedora, the installer was a bit confusing and the distro on the whole does seem to lack a bit of polish. But overall it was quite painless.
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#220Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I can't figure out why RHEL compat is so desirable. Hey, here’s a comprehensive guide complete with commands, expected outcomes, and side effects of each command for setting up a Windows Domain using an RHEL domain controller: https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_single... Oh, that’s for 7.5? One that’s 15 years old and no longer under standard support? It still works! Wait, but you’re a new custom…
I wish I could upvote this 10,000 times. Documentation isn't sexy or something. I don't know why Linux documentation sucks so much, but Redhat makes it suck must less. It takes lots of effort, money and writer hours to create the kind of documentation that Redhat maintains and businesses love documentation. A HOWTO or a FAQ are not documentation. I actually prefer man pages and I dropped Linux for my personal project…
>I don't know why Linux documentation sucks so much
because you need to pay competent people to do it. As FOSS is made up of lots of volunteers, lots of documentation isn't up to the standard we would want it to be.