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Framework Laptop 16 Deep Dive – Enclosure

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Post by 111111IIIIIII »

Rediscover wrote: post #204
seanhunter wrote: post #179

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Mine is split in the sense of having the main keys in the middle of the keyboard on your strong fingers (like the old typematrix which was the first ortholinear keyboard I ever used) it’s not in separate modules like a kinesis or ergodox obviously. I don’t know if that would work on a laptop without it being excessively wide. For my personal mix of tendon and joint problems actual separation isn’t helpful because som…

https://assets.chaos.social/media_attachments/files/110/484/... Nice laptop keyboard.

Beautiful

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Post by verall »

111111IIIIIII wrote: post #113
verall wrote: post #111

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If that is your definition then a Framework 13 is probably not the laptop for you. It does fit my needs perfectly though - a usually on desktop but portable for travel notebook PC with 64G ram and 2TB ssd for under $1200. Very cheap compared to other laptops with the same specs and I really like it.

Oh my god. How and why is it so affordable? Knowing that, I hope they offer a higher resolution screen someday.

It's cheap because the DIY edition has no RAM/SSD and these are super cheap from 3rd parties currently while other laptop vendors take fat margins on them. Throw in that no SSD means no OEM windows license fee (I have free msdn anyways) and it's just so much cheaper.

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Post by 111111IIIIIII »

Aerbil313 wrote: post #205
lockhouse wrote: post #116

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Maybe they prefer macOS or need it for iOS development. Also, there really isn't anything out there like a MacBook Air. Thin, light, fast, fanless (silent), and truly all day battery life.

Damn Apple. Macs have no single drawback except repairability, not even vendor lock-in (you can flash Asahi). That’s it. I’m going for a Mac except the Framework I previously planned for. Single digit battery life shouldn’t be thing in 2023.

No CUDA support

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Post by lockhouse »

111111IIIIIII wrote: post #213
Aerbil313 wrote: post #205

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Damn Apple. Macs have no single drawback except repairability, not even vendor lock-in (you can flash Asahi). That’s it. I’m going for a Mac except the Framework I previously planned for. Single digit battery life shouldn’t be thing in 2023.

No CUDA support

The lock-in for that is on Nvidia's side, not Apple's.

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Post by smoldesu »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #152
smoldesu wrote: post #100

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Considering how we're talking about a manufacturer that famously installed anti-suicide nets for it's worker, maybe some time away from the factory would be a good thing?

They never had high suicide rates so no.

In 2010, over 10 workers threw themselves from the building to their death. I guess that's not high enough for you?

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Post by vorpalhex »

908B64B197 wrote: post #63
vorpalhex wrote: post #20

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There's a cost to buying machines that are sustainable and use well paid workers, just like there's a cost to cage free eggs. I believe Foxconn, the main assembler for Apple, still sleeps 6 workers to an apartment.

> I believe Foxconn, the main assembler for Apple, still sleeps 6 workers to an apartment. The thing is, if Chinese labor becomes more expensive, these workers will get replaced either by an automated factory elsewhere (maybe in America!) and unemployment.

You can't automate installing ram, or a bunch of other things.

Electronics will get more expensive.

Maybe that's not only ok, but actually desirable. More expensive electronics might help reduce ewaste (which is VERY hazardous in aggregate) and push manufacturers to go back to repairable and upgradeable designs.

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Post by 111111IIIIIII »

Turskarama wrote: post #133
111111IIIIIII wrote: post #102

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Can you name a laptop that meets your expectations and lets me connect an external GPU? (not for gaming)

How many people need a device that's both portable AND needs an external GPU? That's incredibly niche.

> That's incredibly niche.

Irrelevant given how easy it is to do. In macOS it's literally the equivalent of a feature flag.

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Post by 111111IIIIIII »

lockhouse wrote: post #214
111111IIIIIII wrote: post #213

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No CUDA support

The lock-in for that is on Nvidia's side, not Apple's.

No it's not. macOS explicitly will not support external GPUs of any kind. It's not limited to Nvidia, although Nvidia is clearly the target.

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Post by LoganDark »

gobip wrote: post #190
stepbeek wrote: post #185

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Unless you don’t want a Mac? I like my Mac, but prefer Linux for dev. Having a beefy AMD framework 16” that I can refresh in 3 years sounds great to me. > What’s the point of trying to save the environment when the other 8 billion could care less? “What’s the point in doing things you personally care about if there isn’t worldwide consensus?”

Hopefully soon, linux will be running just fine on the Apple Silicon.

Hasn't it been running just fine for years already? Linus Torvalds uses Asahi. Sounds fine enough for me.
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