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Reddit’s blackout protest is set to continue indefinitely

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Re: Reddit’s blackout protest is set to continue indefinitely

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The biggest Reddit communities are in open rebellion. Twitter is, charitably, a mess. Twitch started taking a full 50% of the revenue of their top creators, who are furious. What's going on? What's the bigger trend that's causing all these platforms to go so user-hostile?

People are starting to come to terms with the new reality where tech companies actually need to have a viable business model which takes in more money than it expends. The return of nonzero interest rates means that the runway is no longer infinite, you can't just raise more money to cover costs forever, eventually you have to either take off or crash. This is revealing just how much of a nonsensical anomaly most of…

Yep!

Tech companies over hired for ~10 years wrt efficiency & sustainability, and few want to do layoffs necessary to get 'good' efficiency numbers, instead just close enough that they can maybe reach non-buzzy norms in a few years, and hope things change in the meanwhile to go back to setting money on fire.

It's natural: market funded inefficient growth for years, and tech people want to feel like they are succeeding, which headcount is a power-tripping and physical metric for, even if wildly inaccurate. Cutting isn't easy either. Losing headcount makes folks want to quit, slows growth, and if as deep as needed for efficiency (which the 'standard' 10-20% cut isn't enough for), loses revenue... Which can cause a death spiral.

We have been growing purely on revenue for awhile now, and we have to remind many of our customers that we need to get paid bc we aren't (currently) doing the VC thing. Many have been trained at this point to not think that way, it's bizarre.

Re: Reddit’s blackout protest is set to continue indefinitely

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It seems to me like this is turning into a subreddit migration in slow motion. A lot people still want to post content and a lot of people still want to read content, so what's happening is people are posting it to the less popular 'alternative' versions of the popular subreddits and those posts make the frontpage instead. It seems like there is a noticeable decline in quality but i'm still seeing quite a bit of post…

The motion is very slow though. How do I even find alternative subreddits? Most subreddits do not allow cross-advertising anyway and reddit's search tool is total garbage.

I don't think reddit needs to be replaced, but they need to change some things. All subreddits are replaceable, and so are mods so i don't see the point of this protest

Re: Reddit’s blackout protest is set to continue indefinitely

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post #86

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Seems self-explanatory. They're fighting for profitability, prioritizing mass-appeal, prioritizing ads, and maintaining two UIs in an advertising business sounds like a huge hassle. I'm too lazy to edit the URL so I don't even know - does old.reddit.com even support the giant image ads?

It does not

If they shut out third party apps from official APIs, that isn't game over. Those apps can still scrape HTML and while the new reddit frontend is modern and can easily combat this, old.reddit is an unmaintained static target.

They presumably know this or if they don't, they soon will. To avoid allowing app devs to run around the API changes they have to either continue maintaining the front end or cut the dead weight. Given their decision making lately, I'm going for the latter.

Re: Reddit’s blackout protest is set to continue indefinitely

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Yes, I just saw the r/StarTrek migration, and visited Lemmy for the 3rd time or so this week, and quite frankly, I could drop reddit entirely now, if I knew how to find communities. I feel some real hacker/dev excitement for the future of Lemmy.

Let us know if/when you figure out how to find communities. Discoverability seems to be a real problem with Lemmy.

I literally can't even sign up for Lemmy.world. The button after entering a new username/pw just spins indefinitely, forever.

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post #37

I was really skeptical of lemmy [1] when I first heard about it during the blackout. I joined yesterday and it completely changed my mind. Yes, it is going to face some growing pains (see the total user growth in the past few days) [2] in the coming weeks and months but it really has the potential to replace Reddit with a federated system of communities. One that won't be damaged by investors or executives attempting…

Lemmy has the same discoverability and usability problems as Mastodon. Especially for non-technical users, there's too much friction required to find their communities and aggregate them into a single usable feed with a nice client. And that's assuming they can even conceptualize what the fediverse is. I'm a technical user, and I closed join-lemmy.org after ten seconds because it was too many clicks to get to an inte…

Exactly this. Lemmy looks like too much work if I'm being honest and none of the communities look that enticing. The reason reddit is popular is because it's easily accessible to the majority of people. I can't see a path to mass adoption here without a centralized source. I don't want to hunt for data, I want data presented to me.

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post #88

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It's because the Reddit users that are actually bothered by this are unmonetizable and everyone knows it. nobody is eager to jump into that sink hole and Reddit itself is happy to be free of it. A Reddit alternative is something every developer on here thinks they can crank out in a weekend and surely countless of them are actually trying that right now. But the reality is that reddit is a mess and nobody in their ri…

> It's because the Reddit users that are actually bothered by this are unmonetizable and everyone knows it. The Reddit users that are bothered by this also include mods that use third-party tools for moderation activities. If those users leave, or are no longer about to function, that has potential long-term consequences for Reddit.

That seems doubtful. The knives are already out, with moderators lower down the list requesting to become the new top mod, so they can reopen popular subreddits. Eg. https://www.reddit.com/r/redditrequest/comments/149z2nd/requ...

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I cannot for the life of me login to lemmy.world even after creating an account today. Is this due to increased traffic today or something else I don't understand about the platform?

Yeah. See my second link. If you scroll down you can see per-server user counts. Lemmy is exploding!

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Re: Reddit’s blackout protest is set to continue indefinitely

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post #157
post #115

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How do these independent servers cover the costs of "success", if more users join it's more cost, more moderation hassle. Who pays for it?

The instance I joined (Lemmy.world) currently has 460 financial contributors here: https://opencollective.com/mastodonworld & 303 on patreon: https://www.patreon.com/mastodonworld . Should be enough to cover the server costs. Moderation is a matter for communities to handle on their own, just like on reddit.

Ah, so they've already had an IPO /s

Re: Reddit’s blackout protest is set to continue indefinitely

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post #189

It seems to me like this is turning into a subreddit migration in slow motion. A lot people still want to post content and a lot of people still want to read content, so what's happening is people are posting it to the less popular 'alternative' versions of the popular subreddits and those posts make the frontpage instead. It seems like there is a noticeable decline in quality but i'm still seeing quite a bit of post…

I've posted this a few times, but there's a snapshot of reddit from 2017 that you can self host: https://github.com/reddit-archive/reddit Why not just do that? Sure, it's a lot of python, and probably full of security holes, but there are enough reddit users to fix that, and the risk that your reddit instance might be taken over by malicious people is lower than the risk that centralized reddit will (since it already…

Pretty sure the short version is there's a lot more to hosting Reddit than just standing up a server.

It's a slow process that involves building up communities and trust to hit a critical mass.

Pure speculation, but I think Reddit will continue to decline, it'll just be a while longer before everyone migrates from it.

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