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TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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That the US is illegally spying on its own citizens is bad, but not as bad as allowing an explicitly hostile, autocratic foreign power to turn a massive propaganda and surveillance platform on US citizens. The US has many problems, but I'd still rather live in its admittedly somewhat rough approximation to transparent liberal democracy than under a completely and explicitly unaccountable regime like the Chinese Commu…

> the US is illegally spying on its own citizens is bad, but not as bad as I disagree. I think they're both roughly equally as bad. > I'd still rather live in its admittedly somewhat rough approximation to transparent liberal democracy Me too! I'm not sure what the relevance of that is, though.

The relevance from my perspective is that I'm much more alarmed by spying and manipulation by a hostile foreign entity which explicitly places securing its own power above all else, than I am by spying and manipulation by agents of the US government, which is explicitly founded on principles of transparency and accountability to its citizens and has many institutional guardrails intended to serve those principles, even if those guardrails aren't fully effective. At least in the US there is the ideological possibility of peacefully voting in representatives who would strengthen and improve those guardrails. That's not something an agent of the CCP is even supposed or motivated to think about.

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I'm never going to give a single crap about TikTok specifically being in the loving arms of the CCP as long as everyone else is just collecting my data anyway to either bombard with ads or sell to government entities. China is way down on my list regarding potential hostile actors to my personal welfare.

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Trading with your adversaries is a good way to not start a war.

A $250b/year trade deficit will weaken you over time while you might just be kicking the can down the road. The generation having to fight the war will have lesser chances of winning it. Trade (especially massively imbalanced trade) with a communist dictatorship is not a good idea.

“The United States is also a one-party state but, with typical American extravagance, they have two of them.” - Julius Nyerere, first president of Tanzania

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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The $5/dozen t-shirt has little possibility of collecting private data and sending it to the mother ship

How does a hypothetical data collection warrant a ban, while a real illegal data collection associated with illegal voter manipulation and illegal campaign financing, like the Cambridge Analytica—a British company—scandal, doesn’t?

I suspect there’s at least some “think of the children” motivation behind this, even if it’s not explicit.

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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That's a shame because in a world of artificially inflated 10-minute youtube videos, I really enjoy tiktok's to the point short clips. If I want to see a review or a how-to or similar, I go to tiktok first because they are from normal dudes and not big channels that artificially pad their videos to 10 minutes for the ads.

And TikTok has no influencers, sure? At least on Youtube, you can see who is paying them to shill you. Every video online is potentially there to convince you to buy something, believe something, or motivate you to do something to make the creator money.

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They threaten regularly to go to war with us over Taiwan. People before WW1 thought war was impossible thanks to how the economy was so interconnected. Russia invaded Ukraine despite how tied they were to Europe economically. To suggest China can't be an adversary just because we trade is a blunder made many times in history, and it fails, time and time again. Don't fall for it.

No one is saying that China can't be an adversary. People are saying that maybe US politicians shouldn't be blatantly labeling them as an adversary just to score some sinophobic rageporn points with Fox News viewers.

> No one is saying that China can't be an adversary.

I think anyone who says they aren't is lying to themselves.

This is a far bigger trend than just some fox News viewers. Opposition to China has become bilateral and is very well supported by most in America.

You can only spend so long pretending to be a friend while also opposing the United States in basically every possible way until the United States wakes up and calls the quacking thing a duck. Seeing reality, we are burning bridges.

TikTok is one of those bridges. The chip export bans are another. Expect them to continue until China's trade with America resembles our trade with the soviets in the 80s.

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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It's predictable that it's coming from a conservative state. That they are broadly against using state power to ban things is part of their identity and marketing but not reality. Especially when it can be construed as a social-moral problem.

Yeah nothing like banning people from going to restaurants without a state issued vaccine pass (we didn’t forget)

I got my vaccine certificate from CVS. the state had very little to do with it.

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Tomorrow's story: "Residents of Montana discover VPNs and how to use them!" Between Utah and Montana the awareness and use of VPNs is rising among the non-security-conscious, and this is a good thing.

The party of "small government" just continuing about their usual business...

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Last I heard, there was a "per use" fine for usage as well. Honestly, I haven't looked at this farce of a bill since it was first introduced. EDIT: S1: An entity violates this prohibition when any of the following occurs within the territorial jurisdiction of Montana: (a) the operation of tiktok by the company or users; or (b) the option to download the tiktok mobile application by a mobile application store.

"An entity" is defined as either TikTok, or an app store. Individuals can not violate this statute.

The entity is Apple/Google. But an end user using ticktok constitutes a violation for which Apple/Google is liable.
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