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The EU AI act is coming, this time for real probably

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Post by zeroonetwothree »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #15
endisneigh wrote: post #3

The acceleration of the divergence of the EU from the United States with respect to cutting edge software will be a site to behold. One is neutering and the other is cultivating.

Because many of the US's so called cutting edge SW has mostly been privacy invasive data harvesting empires designed to serve ads, like Google and Meta, or regulation dodging apps like Uber and AirBnB, or monopolies engaging in anti-competitive and anti-consumer behavior, like Amazon, Microsoft and Apple. With that logic TikTok is also some fancy innovation. None of the FAANGMAULs have their hands clean. Same with sc…

Why is it that every time someone makes a poorly reasoned argument steeped in emotion there are Nazis involved?

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Post by logicchains »

eimrine wrote: post #97
galleywest200 wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That may be true, but those countries still see the "parades" by these groups. Its "banned" but not gone.

Are you Russian propagandist? They are probably the only actor nowadays who use to name some groups of European people as nazi with emphasis on some parades. Why not to name any group which fits what you are claiming - for letting us to see your guts without asks for some extra clarifications?

It's Russian propaganda to point out that the Azov brigade march with nazi flags and some even took selfies with photos of Hitler?

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Post by zeroonetwothree »

decide1000 wrote: post #17

I always feel that the EU protects the people, while others seem to care about profits only.

As a general rule no one in the real world is “good” or “evil”. Everyone is acting for their own quasi-selfish and quasi-ethical reasons. Governments aren’t exclusively the “good guys” looking out to “protect people” any more than they are exclusively the “bad guys” exploiting people for corrupt gains. Corporations aren’t exclusively the “bad guys” seeking profit regardless of the consequences any more than they are exclusively the “good guys” looking to expand consumer welfare with innovation. These are just stories people in power tell to manipulate you. The truth is always in the middle.

Re: The EU AI act is coming, this time for real probably

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Post by zeroonetwothree »

tpxl wrote: post #152
andybak wrote: post #63

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This feels like (yet another) extension of copyright. Whilst I'm not sure I completely disagree with you, I want people to acknowledge that copyright is not the natural state of the universe. Prior to (I think) 1790 there was no copyright and human beings managed minor things like, you know, the renaissance and stuff like that. Copyright was invented and enforced and the results have been a mixed bag. It seems to suf…

If creating LLMs based on copyrighted data is found to be legal, all that will do is allow giant companies to sell copyrighted work without crediting the original authors, while leaving everyone else in the dirt.

Won’t it actually harm big companies that own the majority of IP currently? It will empower individuals to benefit from creative works more cheaply.

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Post by zeroonetwothree »

gumballindie wrote: post #129
andybak wrote: post #63

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This feels like (yet another) extension of copyright. Whilst I'm not sure I completely disagree with you, I want people to acknowledge that copyright is not the natural state of the universe. Prior to (I think) 1790 there was no copyright and human beings managed minor things like, you know, the renaissance and stuff like that. Copyright was invented and enforced and the results have been a mixed bag. It seems to suf…

> Prior to (I think) 1790 there was no copyright and human beings managed minor things like, you know, the renaissance and stuff like that. Curious if the introduction of copyright is what led to an explosion of products and innovation. Suddenly people were given an incentive to monetize their ideas. I doubt the renaissance happened due to a lack of copyright. I think it's more due to social, political and health cir…

There doesn’t seem to be evidence that copyright increases innovation. Indeed in some areas with no IP protection we actually see more innovation (example: fashion)

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Post by gumballindie »

hef19898 wrote: post #186
gumballindie wrote: post #176

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The privacy respecting european tech giant is the citizen. Also there is significant contribution to ai coming from the old world, some of the most brilliant minds are from here. And whats the point in having gazzilionaire corporations with offices surrounded by tents and poverty? Where’s the progress in that?

People seem to forget dystopian cyberpunk was a parody and warning, not a playbook or something desirable. But as long as people can pretend to be part of the new, neo-feudlist tecj overlord class they don't seem to care. Until the inevitable, Zorg-like, FAANG / MAGMA layoffs happen and kick them out of the door that is.

Well exactly.

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Post by zeroonetwothree »

mschuster91 wrote: post #202
letmevoteplease wrote: post #122

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The design of the American system was always based on a distrust for power. The gridlock is the point. Not my favorite person but Scalia put it well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ggz_gd--UO0

Eventually though it leads to a situation where no one has any trust left in government, which is extremely dangerous from a democracy perspective - it breeds resentment, splintering/secession and people taking the law into their own hands (or to put it bluntly, shooting at everything they deem a threat - including children playing hide-and-seek [1]). That's also the reason why there are so many doomsday preppers in…

the US has more of a culture of self sufficiency. This isn’t necessarily a bad thing. It also has higher incomes that allow for such types of frivolous spending

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Post by robswc »

smarx007 wrote: post #75
can16358p wrote: post #65

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Same for GDPR. Not a surprise all big tech is in US. If EU wants to play this card, US will get even stronger at keeping tech talent. (I reside neither in the US or EU)

I didn't see any effect from GDPR on tech talent migration. Any source on this?!

He probably means its just another factor in why there's very few startups/innovative companies in Europe.

I did consulting and for a fair amount of projects where we had to block all European traffic while GDPR compliance was sorted out. There was almost never anything we had to actually do/change but the threat was looming and it was easier to just not take the risk.

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Post by forgetfulness »

AbrahamParangi wrote: post #163
renjimen wrote: post #128

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But software can do obvious harm. This is surely one the most important lessons of the internet era

Yeah it really can’t though. If there’s mercury in the tuna that’s obviously and unequivocally bad. If there’s funny memes supporting the other political party that’s supposed to be equivalent?

It may be less acute than mercury poisoning, yes, but social media and the search engine-optimized web encouraging polarization and radicalization in adults, and exacerbating mental illness in children, have been pretty harmful outcomes, not to speak of them being leveraged by state actors with that intention.

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Post by zeroonetwothree »

renjimen wrote: post #174
r2vcap wrote: post #76

I don't care what EU countries do to curb their productivity. (I am a Korean national.) However, I am worried that another barrier is being built when considering the case of GDPR. And I hope they don't intervene in other countries as if their thoughts are universal.

The intention is to protect the rights and wellbeing of citizens. It’s short-termism to allow unfettered productivity gains at the expense of the populace.

And who exactly do productivity gains benefit?
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