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Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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Post by dang »

n_t wrote: post #104
dang wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please do not take HN threads into nationalistic flamewar, or any other kind of flamewar. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

I appreciate your moderation. This was not flame war, I even gave well cited references for OP to read. I also never attack anyone personally, but I do want them to be more informed.

I appreciate that you didn't attack anyone personally, but your comment was definitely written in the flamewar style: cross-examining, argumentative, and polemical on an inflammatory topic. That is not the curious conversation we want here, and even if you didn't intend it, it was likely to (and indeed did) provoke others into responding with inflammation of their own.

If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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Post by dang »

anaganisk wrote: post #68
n_t wrote: post #33

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I was waiting for you to arrive, not you literally but some propaganda machine, I've moved to the US last year for higher education, and fortunately for me here I was able to meet a lot of Pakistani's. And not once did anyone say anything against India or me. In fact even the older generation was so thoughtful, and recognized our shared culture and history. And they were sometimes more friendly and less judgemental t…

Please don't take HN threads further into flamewar. This part of your comment was great:

> I've moved to the US last year for higher education, and fortunately for me here I was able to meet a lot of Pakistani's. And not once did anyone say anything against India or me. In fact even the older generation was so thoughtful, and recognized our shared culture and history. And they were sometimes more friendly and less judgemental than fellow Indians here.

But the rest was much too disputatious and aggressive.

If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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Post by dang »

wanderlust123 wrote: post #45
n_t wrote: post #33

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Lol this is literally propaganda. One could say the same about Modi and his RSS mob. The original post was making a point about humanity, and you hijacked it with your own agenda. Way to go bud.

Please don't respond to a bad comment by breaking the site guidelines yourself. That only makes things worse.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Edit: you've unfortunately broken the site guidelines in other cases too, such as https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33906633. Please don't do that - we have to ban accounts that do that sort of thing.

Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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Post by dang »

n_t wrote: post #95
nashashmi wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a Pakistani, I know none of the things you hint at is true. In sindh, there loads of Hindus. And there is no internal strife or persecution of them. In fact, the only point of animosity with India starts and stops at Kashmir.

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Please stop now.

Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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Post by revelio »

screye wrote: post #145
kumarvvr wrote: post #125

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> The brits were to blame for process of partition Yeah, no. They took advantage of the divisions created in the population based on religion. Divisions created by Islamic fundamentalist parties.

That's why I pointed to the 'process of partition'. The border-lines were drawn by a man who had never visited India over a few months. They withdrew all state machinery overnight, and somehow expected 2 nations born into war to fare alright. Did they expect millions to cross borders and leave their homes behind without any resulting repercussions ? How is a country (Pakistan) divided in 2 by its biggest enemy (India…

So it's the Brits fault that Pakistan/India immediately went at each others throat the moment they were gone and the solution was to keep both under "supervision" i.e. empire control? When exactly could they have left without that outcome? Or is the idea here that the British empire still exists in the 21st century?

At what point do the people living there take responsibility for ending their own violence, in this scenario?

Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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Post by ryzvonusef »

ourmandave wrote: post #72

Scrolling through the comments, Imran was arrested for accepting bribes worth billions while in office. Some comments say it's true, the other it's false charges. Does anybody have a credible source for what's really going on? The point of propaganda is not to make people believe it. It is to foster cynicism so that we don’t know what to believe and come to believe that nothing is true, no facts are reliable, and the…

Paki here, here to give the sad truth:

while he most definitely profited from this (and other) deals, the fact that this deal was passed through when he was in office without any issue then, and the fact that the other party (the property tycoon) is NOT also been indicted means that there is most definitely a political manoeuvre.

The same happened with the previous PM, Nawaz Sharif. Most people remember his name with the Panama papers, but the funny thing is, that was NOT the reason he was disqualified from office; because that would have implicated other people, and that's a no-no.

Instead he was indicted another, frankly stupid, reason... and used that as a basis to effectively neuter him by disqualifying from holding any public. This is the new tactic our benevolent overlords have chosen. Instead of assassinating someone, or jailing them for life... they just make you ineligible to hold public office and then cut their strings.

I guess the same will happen to this guy also. Meanwhile inflation is at an all time high, and I am worried about staples, but govt is too busy with random shit to focus on nation building.

Like imagine, while elon musk burnt 44 billion dollars for teh lulz, here we are, a nation of 230 million, begging for a single billion dollars just to avoid bankruptcy; we won't even be able to do anything useful with it, we will be begging again in a few months again.

I can't live here, I can't escape from here, it's like some weird Dante's hell type shit. I just envy my deceased father for having outlived this nonsense in 2020.

Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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Post by revelio »

laweijfmvo wrote: post #76

This seems to happen often enough (in several countries) that I wonder if the US (or any other "1st world democracy") doesn't have the ability or a plan to do something similar, if determined to be necessary. And before you say it can't happen because Constitution, I'd be shocked if there wasn't some Patriot Act/Emergency Authorization that makes it close enough to legal...

Western countries prefer to cut off access to banking and individual social media accounts rather than the internet. It's more effective and direct. Look at the Twitter files, Canada for examples. Cutting off the whole internet is only necessary for Pakistan because they don't have allied political operatives working at Twitter, Facebook, Google etc.

Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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Post by spaceman_2020 »

closetnerd wrote: post #138
ourmandave wrote: post #72

Scrolling through the comments, Imran was arrested for accepting bribes worth billions while in office. Some comments say it's true, the other it's false charges. Does anybody have a credible source for what's really going on? The point of propaganda is not to make people believe it. It is to foster cynicism so that we don’t know what to believe and come to believe that nothing is true, no facts are reliable, and the…

Very much false. They arrested him, and many others, because he's demanding the constitutionally mandated elections be held. He'd been going to court for cases like terrorism because of "blasphemy". He's a major threat to the very corrupt army and dynastic parties. All other parties have joined in a coalition with the army. The only opposition is Imran Khan. Sharifs: The head of one has been in self exile in London w…

This is pretty much spot on.

Imran has been called a zealot and a fool, but almost no one who knows him has called him corrupt.

Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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Post by Eupolemos »

ryzvonusef wrote: post #216
ourmandave wrote: post #72

Scrolling through the comments, Imran was arrested for accepting bribes worth billions while in office. Some comments say it's true, the other it's false charges. Does anybody have a credible source for what's really going on? The point of propaganda is not to make people believe it. It is to foster cynicism so that we don’t know what to believe and come to believe that nothing is true, no facts are reliable, and the…

Paki here, here to give the sad truth: while he most definitely profited from this (and other) deals, the fact that this deal was passed through when he was in office without any issue then , and the fact that the other party (the property tycoon) is NOT also been indicted means that there is most definitely a political manoeuvre. The same happened with the previous PM, Nawaz Sharif. Most people remember his name wit…

I am sorry.

Than you for the explanation.

Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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Post by MichaelZuo »

mlyle wrote: post #187
lazide wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since the whole point of the internet is, you know, people can request what they want and communicate with others, and they already HAVE people shoving ‘important stuff’ their way, what exactly do you think that adds to the picture?

> what exactly do you think that adds to the picture? - Othernet is already a system out of local control that can be received with relatively trivial equipment. - 2000bps feels perhaps a bit too slow, but with an order of magnitude more bandwidth, you could have a -lot- of textual communication. It could carry a big cross-section of what everyone is saying and allow people to choose what they see. - An ideal system…

> That is-- I love the interactive internet, but wouldn't it be cool if it gracefully degraded to still provide "postcards" and "broadcast radio" and a bit more as capacity went down, intermittency went up, and inability to return traffic was sometimes a factor?

This already exists, it's called ham radio. There are even large communities of folks sending 'postcards' to each other on a regular basis.

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