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Re: Sam Altman says era of remote work is over

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You can defraud people in positions of power. It’s often more lucrative to do so.

That’s happens and the boss also has the power to fix it. It’s part of that whole responsibility thing. If a majority of a bosses employees are defrauding them, then it sounds like they aren’t good at hiring. If it’s a minority then it’s their job to get rid of those people. It’s shocking to see people complain about coworkers literally not logging in for weeks as why remote doesn’t work. That just means your supervi…

The boss often has little power or agency to fix it. You have never been a middle manager. The amount of red tape you need to go through to fire someone for cause, cover your ass from lawsuits, etc is overwhelming.

Managers are people too, often struggling because they’re squashed between challenging top down directives and the needs of all their reports.

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When I was an associate/junior I longed for remote work but seniors tried to keep me in the office as much as they could. Now that I am a senior I advocate for remote work to enable associates/juniors that want to work from home to do so. We have offices and whoever wants to do so can work from the office. Many associates/juniors use that opportunity but still the general consensus is that flexibility is the key here…

> flexibility is the key here I'm not sure about this. Flexibility brings uncertainty, and if you are not sure about who's going to be there in the office, there's not much value proposition to go and check. If you know for sure that all/most people are going to be there, this equation changes considerably. That being said, I think it makes sense to reduce physical presence to ~2-3 days a week, unless having two work…

We always communicate and somehow end up in the office together. There's always a way. Many weeks someone says 'I'll be in the office on this day. Anyone else coming in?' And then a few people say yep, let's do it.

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The era of remote work is not over. It’s just arrived. We overshot the equilibrium point by a lot during the pandemic height and that will regress back to something closer to long term trend. No matter how much the HN crowd vociferously defends remote work, it’s simply an inferior mode of operation for many creative jobs. People are not machines. We’re evolved to congregate and share space, to read body language, sha…

>We’re evolved to congregate and share space, to read body language, share meals, interact with zero latency.

On the other hand we didn't evolve to spend eight hours a day staring at a screen. Nor to spend two hours a day sat in a car commuting.

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Autonomous working has proven to be a game changer for myself and others in my team. I can login and out when I need to (meetings/stand ups I obviously need to factor in) which allows me to take an actual break and go somewhere with my dog when I am feeling bogged down/unproductive. The ability to do this means that, when I return to the desk, I am refreshed and ready to tackle a problem with fresh eyes instead of gl…

The perceived productivity gains have always been complicated because they're anchored in a time when people had nothing better to do.

The other side of it, and it's complicated in the same way, is the industry collectively made a lot of bad decisions working from home in 2021, and we're paying for it now.

Re: Sam Altman says era of remote work is over

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https://www.cnbc.com/2023/03/24/openai-ceo-sam-altman-didnt-... This is public information.

Yes (did not doubt that), but this is of course only one part of the puzzle. Remember that the assumption of the post you responded too suggested incentives tied to real estate (stock in real estate sector might already be enough), and not about salary/stock in OpenAI. What about other engagements, promises made and so on? Has he declared that incentive-wise there is nothing else than OpenAI going on for him?

Maybe cool it on the conspiracy theories.

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The point of the article is that for team work with unclearity you are more creative by working in a physical space together. If your work can be done in isolation and doesn't require a team to deal with any uncertainty, then by all means work fully remote. However, if your work is about innovation and collaboration, then it's going to be more effective to spend time together. I think it's telling that you talk about…

> The point of the article is that for team work with unclearity you are more creative by working in a physical space together. The article also has no data supporting it. Only feelings. It's very typical for these sort of articles. I am a lot more productive, and even creative working from home, where I have full control of the environment I'm in and not wasting effort on social interactions. Collaboration happens e…

Do we always need non anecdotal data to support every assertion that we make?

I've had many face to face conversations in a room with a whiteboard that couldn't have happened nearly as efficiently if everyone was remote.

Now I do think that the push against work from home in general has very little to do with operating efficiency (if companies cared that much about operating efficiency they wouldn't have developers working in loud open plan offices, drowning out the world around them with headphones), but the argument that there's no utility in face to face meetings is just as meritless.

Re: Sam Altman says era of remote work is over

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Autonomous working has proven to be a game changer for myself and others in my team. I can login and out when I need to (meetings/stand ups I obviously need to factor in) which allows me to take an actual break and go somewhere with my dog when I am feeling bogged down/unproductive. The ability to do this means that, when I return to the desk, I am refreshed and ready to tackle a problem with fresh eyes instead of gl…

The point of the article is that for team work with unclearity you are more creative by working in a physical space together. If your work can be done in isolation and doesn't require a team to deal with any uncertainty, then by all means work fully remote. However, if your work is about innovation and collaboration, then it's going to be more effective to spend time together. I think it's telling that you talk about…

Assuming your team members are actually:

- capable and not just good salesmen that got into their positions due to various factors like resume-driven development, obscene levels of networking or nepotism, being in the right place at the right time — and riding that wave — etc.

- have gotten the junior-level giggles out of them — and understand that the simplest solution is the best solution; rather than something needlessly complex because:

(“it won’t scale” (i.e I’m at best bored and want to try something new, and at worst trying to shoehorn something insane to further my resume) ||

“we have to do it this way” (i.e. I read a blog post last night and want it to seem like I’m knowledgeable and not an imposter with zero critical thinking ability) ||

“this is the correct way to do it” (i.e. I’m stalling again because I cannot think of a way to provide business value other than prostelyzing various opinions and philosophies about software engineering, despite there being zero hard and objective data that what I’m saying is in anyway effective for anything more than making me seem like I know what I’m talking about))

At that point, once you have enough maturity and experience (i.e the knack for being able to adapt to circumstances by your lonesome), you do not need to collaborate. You can almost always figure it out by searching online for what is almost always a trivial, already-been-solved issue, or by going for a few walks and mulling it over in your head. If it’s a truly hard problem, you can even sit down somewhere and work it through inside your head.

The only two types of collaboration I’ve ever seen in the workplace is:

1). Someone less learned on a subject picking the brain of someone more learned (fair if the subject is complex, and not easily accessible through literature; but grating if it’s something puerile like how to use a tool — RTFM)

2). Two people brainstorming something and coming to the wrong conclusion because they’re implicitly more interested in socializing correctly than coming up with the right answer. You see this with whiteboards a lot.

For example, M$’s Roslyn a few noobs were trying to figure out what data structure to use for representing syntax nodes and the solution they come up all these years ago was utterly silly (red and green trees) — solely because they were white boarding the problem out, and trying to come to a consensus (and to keep the vibes good, maaan) rather than to find the best answer.

Both are subpar from an efficiency standpoint, but great from a career standpoint.

N.B. If it’s not already apparent, I’ve grown tired of “collaboration.” I’ve grown tired of seeing it create more problems. And I’ve grown tired of the intellectual dishonesty around it.

Re: Sam Altman says era of remote work is over

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Or… Just have optional office hours, Slack huddles and mob sessions every few days. Some of my engineers… - have a open huddle for a few hours a day where anyone can drop into their project while they work - others make use of our scheduled themed mob sessions (ie. Maintenance Mondays, deployment Thursdays). have a problem, idea or just want to hangout then come by? - ICs & seniors are required to host at least a wee…

> - ICs & seniors are required to host at least a weekly office hour to assist juniors or teach something of their choice. When I was a junior engineer working in-person, I was learning from senior engineers multiple times a day, not just once a week.

Obviously, it’s a balance.

Because at the same time, ICs working on critical projects shouldn’t be forced to stop every 15 minutes to answer “It’s not working” questions.

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