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Googlers angry about CEO’s $226M pay after cuts in perks and 12,000 layoffs

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Hard disagree. Marketers conceive of tractors. They are the ones by talking to the customers and knowing what they need. They are the ones that know that one engineer has been working on a high power engine, and other on rugged, high traction trailers. Purely engineering firms fail in the long run as they drift away from what buyers want and chase interesting things because they think they know better.

Cough meta cough

Zilog too

Re: Googlers angry about CEO’s $226M pay after cuts in perks and 12,000 layoffs

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CEO pay is a market rate. This is not much different than complaining about the price point of gas, or milk, or eggs.

You can describe it as being too high in your opinion, or not worth it in your opinion, but that's completely different than pretending that its not being set by the market (and approved by the board) weighing myriad inputs. And btw, one of those inputs is...the ability to successfully tighten the belt and restructure costs to hit numbers.

Make the case to fire Pichai if you want, I'm fine with that, but recognize that you're going to pay "replacement cost" at the same rate or higher for someone else. That's showbiz baby.

Re: Googlers angry about CEO’s $226M pay after cuts in perks and 12,000 layoffs

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The rich benefit and the workers are left exploited. Good grief. The highest paid workers on the planet, work for google. You should spread this communist blather at the proper place, coffee shops where workers aren't paid a living wage. Not people able to retire wealthy, is they invest their salary coreectly. Talk about entitlement.

This is why this country sucks, no one wants people to be paid adequately if it's more than they make. Talk about crab bucket mentality.

You can have a standard for maximum fair wage without it being some kind of personal irrational gripe.

Re: Googlers angry about CEO’s $226M pay after cuts in perks and 12,000 layoffs

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You probably don't know or don't care, but there is more to running a company than producing a new hardware product line (which is important of course too). Under Tim Cook, Apple's business functions (procurement, manufacturing, operations, financing, retail) had an incredible change in efficiency and cash generating capability. Also, you may notice that Apple Services are an incredibly large and profitable business…

You probably don’t know or don’t care, but most of Apple’s current logistic/infrastructure was built under Steve. Steve’s connections in China played a big role in accomplishing that.

You realize that Tim Cook and not Steve Jobs was responsible for thar right as the COO? SJ had nothing to do with that.

Re: Googlers angry about CEO’s $226M pay after cuts in perks and 12,000 layoffs

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In comparison, Nadella is a bit above $50M which is gross underpay considering how Ballmer left the company. Nadella has been the best CEO in the past decade. In fact, you could argue that he’s the best investment manager in the past decade since MSFT is now a giant technology conglomerate. Better than Berkshire.

Such hyperbole. Apple is superior in every financial metric. I don’t know how anyone can say this with a straight face while apple exists.

Microsoft PE ratio: 33

Apple PE ratio: 28

Re: Googlers angry about CEO’s $226M pay after cuts in perks and 12,000 layoffs

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The rich benefit and the workers are left exploited. Good grief. The highest paid workers on the planet, work for google. You should spread this communist blather at the proper place, coffee shops where workers aren't paid a living wage. Not people able to retire wealthy, is they invest their salary coreectly. Talk about entitlement.

They are still paid a tiny fraction of the value they generate while a handful of people receive most of the value generated. I don't think anyone here is advocating for cutting Pichai's pay to $500k or something, but nearly a quarter of a billion dollars? JFC

I don’t see any reason to suggest that the CEO’s pay here is some failing of the market. Google’s owners felt it was appropriate to pay the CEO that amount, and it doesn’t really affect the pay or well being of Google’s other employees, who are/were some of the highest paid already.

Re: Googlers angry about CEO’s $226M pay after cuts in perks and 12,000 layoffs

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CEO pay is a market rate. This is not much different than complaining about the price point of gas, or milk, or eggs. You can describe it as being too high in your opinion, or not worth it in your opinion, but that's completely different than pretending that its not being set by the market (and approved by the board) weighing myriad inputs. And btw, one of those inputs is...the ability to successfully tighten the bel…

you're going to pay "replacement cost"at the same rate or higher for someone else

How do you know this is true? This is an assertion you are making, but the evidence is to the contrary given significantly lower compensation for Microsoft or Apple's CEO.

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What did Tim actually accomplish though? He’s there to essentially “keep” what Apple already established under Steve Jobs. Nadella made some big decisions to completely remake Microsoft. By the way, return (not including dividends) is about the same between AAPL and MSFT since Nadella took over on February 2014 which is simply amazing if you think about the differences between the two companies.

Apple not but three years ago transitioned their entire Mac lineup to a brand new architecture. That could have been disastrous.

Except Mac sales account for less than 10% of their revenue, and as of Q2 this year are down 31%. If they completelyt disappeared it would be bad without anything like disastrous. If you're going to give credit to Tim Cook for doing something original point to boring, unsexy services: over $20B this quarter and 3x that brought in by Macs, with better margins.
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