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Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Is there any proprietary firmware on these? If this is truly open, I'm excited, otherwise I do not care one bit. (Scrolling down the comments, I am honestly disappointed that I am the only person asking this question. Or does everyone else already know and I'm just out of touch?)

They never claim to be open in that blog post, and on their about page they only say the laptop is open for repair and upgrade.

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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post #51

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What are you expecting to run off all four slots that makes that a dealbreaker?

The whole point of the slots is to be able to rearrange them. If such options are limited, they may as well be standard ports, which would use less space. It basically negates a significant portion of the utility of the device.

This. Exactly this.

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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post #171

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So you're literally using it as a 1080p screen? Lmao.

Yes, since like 2012 with the MacBook Pro. That's how retina works. It's 2023 now.

And almost no PC laptop copies that concept. The benefit is simply not that compelling unless you are designing type faces maybe.

But maybe we boring PC people just can’t miss what we don’t know. Like Bentley cars or Champagne when we can get Toyotas and sparkling wine. ;)

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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post #190

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But they’re not locking you in, while other vendors clearly and deliberately are. Definitely the lesser evil. So even a utilitarian like you would choose Framework, provided all else is equal. They even promote 3rd party enclosures for the mainboard in this post so you can’t even say they’re not fostering the ecosystem when they can. It’s not incumbent upon Framework to actually provide competition. That’s a competit…

I don't think you're getting my point. I can't do anything with the specs Framework publishes, I can't fab my own parts. So for me, either as an individual or a person buying equipment for my business, when comparing Framework with Dell or Lenovo, it's the same outcome: they're the sole supplier of parts for their devices. Thus, I don't really get a benefit with using Framework vs one of the other providers, especial…

It you who's not getting my point. I explicitly said I understand that effectively there's no difference for you at the moment with framework vs other vendors. My point was that having an open system still puts you in a better situation than a closed system (and that it's not fair to criticize Framework for 3rd party parts vendors not existing since that's how this thread started), for numerous reasons but especially because you're not wholly dependent on the future benevolence of your chosen vendor to prioritize, manufacture, and provide at reasonable prices replacement parts and upgrades. Since they have a monopoly on that part, they can charge whatever they want so there's literally no incentive whatsoever pulling down the price.

I said this holds if all else is equal. You're now bringing in cost. This is a factor too, for sure, and responds to my all else is equal caveat. And if your cost analysis determines that Framework is not worth the price, then there isn't much I can do about that in a discussion here since I can't speak to their quality/reliability/experience (and why they might be worth the cost or how you might otherwise benefit for the additional price when compared to e.g. Dell) since I'm not an owner.

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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post #190

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But they’re not locking you in, while other vendors clearly and deliberately are. Definitely the lesser evil. So even a utilitarian like you would choose Framework, provided all else is equal. They even promote 3rd party enclosures for the mainboard in this post so you can’t even say they’re not fostering the ecosystem when they can. It’s not incumbent upon Framework to actually provide competition. That’s a competit…

I don't think you're getting my point. I can't do anything with the specs Framework publishes, I can't fab my own parts. So for me, either as an individual or a person buying equipment for my business, when comparing Framework with Dell or Lenovo, it's the same outcome: they're the sole supplier of parts for their devices. Thus, I don't really get a benefit with using Framework vs one of the other providers, especial…

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Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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I'm super happy for this and it's truly great to see framework continuing the quest, and I would still buy a new framework today (if they weren't out of stock) but it is very frustrating how out of stock nearly everything is from current and last generation. You can't even buy a new 12th gen intel at all, and the 11th gen important things (like US Keyboards) are out of stock. As a US English speaker with a a little Spanish, I'd have to settle for French or German keyboard which would annoy me to no end.

I cut framework a ton of slack for this during covid since everything supply chain was so crazy, but is this just the normal (or new normal) for framework? The dream of modularity and repairability only works when you can actually buy the replacement parts, and so far I've had my framework for almost two years and it's been quite difficult to get parts when I needed them. Unfortunately the beauty and lightweightness of the framework means it is a lot more fragile than the Thinkpads and Dells I used to buy, so gets broken more when dropped/abused. If I could get the parts I need it wouldn't be a big deal, but as such...

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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post #129
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I've been waiting for this machine for so long, excited to see the actual CPU unveil. I may be out of date, but is the issue with not entering sleep mode properly resolved? That's a huge issue to me. Aside from Framework, does anyone suggest any other existing laptops that keep a fairly slim design while also offering lots of user repairability? I've had an okay experience with my Thinkpad X1 Carbon Gen 3, but she's…

S3 sleep isn't really supported anymore by either Intel or AMD. Both have been improving S0ix with each kernel release though. We've also made optimizations on our side around retimer/port behavior that substantially improve battery life in sleep. We'll be sharing more detail around that in the next couple of weeks.

nrp, quick note about website content. You should update the details pop-up for the Port Expansion Cards for the USB-C card. Reading the new press release, it seems that each slot is no longer equal on this main board, but on the order page, it implies that all slots are equal for the USB-C card.

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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post #184

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I don't think I will ever purchase an x86 processor anymore. Everything in my home is ARM powered. If Framework switches to ARM I will strongly consider them.

Why not RISC-V?

While I'm bullish on RISC-V (both personally and professionally since before RISC-V was even public), there are currently no chips on the market that comes even close to high-end Arms, and most specifically none for mobile devices. So that's why.

This will certainly change, but I suspect laptops will be last, with datacenter (ML esp.) and ultra-mobile (ie. low-end cellphones) arriving first.

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