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Re: Samsung bans use of A.I. like ChatGPT for employees

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Post by makeitdouble » Wed, May 03, 2023, 2:50 AM UTC

Karawebnetwork wrote: post #111

bretticus wrote: post #67

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Why? It’s a valid concern in my opinion. You’re feeding OpenAI your intellectual property and just hoping they don’t do anything with it. I have the same concerns with Microsoft’s TypeScript playground

It is a valid concern if you send an entire list of confidential data and ask it to transform that list. However if you ask ChatGPT some questions about coding in general it's no different than searching online.

This comes down to whether you trust your whole organization to act be educated about these issues and be good at judging what's ok.

At the size of Samsung that's just an impossible move, and it's easier to blanket ban a problematic service and have employee request exceptions justifying their use case.

BTW I've been in companies that blanket ban posting stuff online, and got posts security reviewed when asking help on vendor community forums. That's totally a thing.

Re: Samsung bans use of A.I. like ChatGPT for employees

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Post by battles » Wed, May 03, 2023, 2:55 AM UTC

LightBug1 wrote: post #142

huseyinkeles wrote: post #90

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That’s because OpenAI can use any data that you send to chatgpt for training purposes. [0] They don’t do it with their APIs btw. “(c) Use of Content to Improve Services. We do not use Content that you provide to or receive from our API (“API Content”) to develop or improve our Services. We may use Content from Services other than our API (“Non-API Content”) to help develop and improve our Services. You can read more…

I'm increasingly p1ssed off by the name "OpenAI"...

If you think of it more as opening Pandora's box rather than open source then it's easier to swallow.

Re: Samsung bans use of A.I. like ChatGPT for employees

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Post by hammyhavoc » Wed, May 03, 2023, 3:03 AM UTC

modestygrime wrote: post #129

hammyhavoc wrote: post #96

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They're wildly inappropriate for most things. For similar anecdata, see blockchain fever where everybody shoehorned it in wherever they could, even when a traditional database made more sense. Consistent conditional logic makes more sense than a risk-laden hallucinating LLM for a lot of workflows. "Everyone" doesn't need to hammer nails because there's more than just one career and industry. The acceptable quality of…

I think they mean using it as a tool at work, not using it in production or as a feature in their application.

That's how I interpreted it in the first place.

Re: Samsung bans use of A.I. like ChatGPT for employees

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Post by jupp0r » Wed, May 03, 2023, 3:17 AM UTC

Retric wrote: post #200

jupp0r wrote: post #190

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As somebody who is completely puzzled why you could think that the cloud is a terrible bet for many companies - are these companies allowing their employees to use Google Search or other parts of the internet or do they have to look up things in paper books in the corporate library?

Let’s not pretend Google search is what people mean when they say “cloud.” It’s about running internal processes on external systems. As to the risks, many companies live and die by their internal secrets. These range from a private keys, customer lists, trading strategies, and similar trade secrets to actual serious R&D efforts. Sometimes the damage is obvious such as crypto exchanges suddenly finding themselves bro…

Again, how do you know that somebody doesn't put something sensitive into the Google Search bar?

Re: Samsung bans use of A.I. like ChatGPT for employees

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Post by voidfunc » Wed, May 03, 2023, 3:26 AM UTC

LightBug1 wrote: post #142

huseyinkeles wrote: post #90

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That’s because OpenAI can use any data that you send to chatgpt for training purposes. [0] They don’t do it with their APIs btw. “(c) Use of Content to Improve Services. We do not use Content that you provide to or receive from our API (“API Content”) to develop or improve our Services. We may use Content from Services other than our API (“Non-API Content”) to help develop and improve our Services. You can read more…

I'm increasingly p1ssed off by the name "OpenAI"...

How dare someone use the holy and sacred "Open" prefix for something that isn't blessed by the OSS mafia.

Re: Samsung bans use of A.I. like ChatGPT for employees

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Post by jprete » Wed, May 03, 2023, 3:34 AM UTC

SoftTalker wrote: post #176

amelius wrote: post #153

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They could still use dark patterns and make one employee click a checkbox in an inattentive moment that gives away all the company information.

Is there any case law on whether clicking a checkbox constitutes a legally binding agreement? A dark pattern that tends to provoke an unintentional behavior does not seem to be likely to hold up as "agreement"

It’s irrelevant to OpenAI because they aren’t actually on the hook for the leak, the employee is.

Re: Samsung bans use of A.I. like ChatGPT for employees

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Post by ThrowawayTestr » Wed, May 03, 2023, 3:43 AM UTC

1vuio0pswjnm7 wrote: post #173

huseyinkeles wrote: post #90

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That’s because OpenAI can use any data that you send to chatgpt for training purposes. [0] They don’t do it with their APIs btw. “(c) Use of Content to Improve Services. We do not use Content that you provide to or receive from our API (“API Content”) to develop or improve our Services. We may use Content from Services other than our API (“Non-API Content”) to help develop and improve our Services. You can read more…

"We do not use Content that you provide to or receive from our API ("API Content") to develop or improve our Services." That sentence does not claim OpenAI does not use such Content for other purposes besides "developing and improving the Services". For example, using the Content in a manner that potentially harms Samsung's business. What does "develop or improve our Services" even mean? There is no definition. Third…

>These Terms of Use apply when you use the services of OpenAI, L.L.C. or our affiliates, including our application programming interface, software, tools, developer services, data, documentation, and websites (“Services”).

Though, they don't define "developing and improving".

Re: Samsung bans use of A.I. like ChatGPT for employees

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Post by newswasboring » Wed, May 03, 2023, 3:45 AM UTC

kypro wrote: post #86

I'm not suggesting the concerns aren't valid, but I guess I don't understand why this same principal isn't applied to other internet connected / cloud software? Do these companies worry that web browsers like Chrome could leak data or applications like Google Docs? What is it about an AI chat bots that makes the risk of a data leak so much higher? Is something about OpenAI's ToS? Or it's relative infancy?

Don't know about chrome, because it's an application and not itself harmful, but yes they think Google docs will steal their data. Or any other cloud service. They are all banned for employees. I'm surprised that anyone is surprised by this.

Re: Samsung bans use of A.I. like ChatGPT for employees

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Post by ThrowawayTestr » Wed, May 03, 2023, 3:45 AM UTC

LightBug1 wrote: post #142

huseyinkeles wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s because OpenAI can use any data that you send to chatgpt for training purposes. [0] They don’t do it with their APIs btw. “(c) Use of Content to Improve Services. We do not use Content that you provide to or receive from our API (“API Content”) to develop or improve our Services. We may use Content from Services other than our API (“Non-API Content”) to help develop and improve our Services. You can read more…

I'm increasingly p1ssed off by the name "OpenAI"...

You can swear on HN, this isn't tiktoc.

Re: Samsung bans use of A.I. like ChatGPT for employees

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Post by newswasboring » Wed, May 03, 2023, 3:52 AM UTC

huseyinkeles wrote: post #90

kypro wrote: post #86

I'm not suggesting the concerns aren't valid, but I guess I don't understand why this same principal isn't applied to other internet connected / cloud software? Do these companies worry that web browsers like Chrome could leak data or applications like Google Docs? What is it about an AI chat bots that makes the risk of a data leak so much higher? Is something about OpenAI's ToS? Or it's relative infancy?

That’s because OpenAI can use any data that you send to chatgpt for training purposes. [0] They don’t do it with their APIs btw. “(c) Use of Content to Improve Services. We do not use Content that you provide to or receive from our API (“API Content”) to develop or improve our Services. We may use Content from Services other than our API (“Non-API Content”) to help develop and improve our Services. You can read more…

Honestly, from an executive's point of view, why should Samsung trust openAI? It exists in a community which is famous for skirting rules, the whole move fast and break things mentality isn't just at facebook. Their IP is incredibly valuable and they also have access to a bunch of customer IP. OpenAI needs to establish trust and it takes time. Microsoft spent years working with these companies to make them adopt azure and stuff.