I recently migrated from Dropbox to Google One. I find Dropbox's personal pricing really baffling: you get 2 GB for free or have to move all the way up to 2 TB and pay £100 a year. 100GB for £16 via Google is a much more sensible offer.
Dropbox to reduce global workforce by about 16%, or 500 staff
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Re: Dropbox to reduce global workforce by about 16%, or 500 staff
#212Re: Dropbox to reduce global workforce by about 16%, or 500 staff
#213As an European, I don't think I will ever get used to the fact that in the US people can be told "go home, you're fired" like that, effective immediately.
Re: Dropbox to reduce global workforce by about 16%, or 500 staff
#214> In an ideal world, we’d simply shift people from one team to another. And we’ve done that wherever possible. However, our next stage of growth requires a different mix of skill sets, particularly in AI and early-stage product development. We’ve been bringing in great talent in these areas over the last couple years and we'll need even more. Imagine building a company that lets users store files online, seeing chatg…
Re: Dropbox to reduce global workforce by about 16%, or 500 staff
#215Earlier quoted context omitted.
Counterpoint is that there is nothing wrong with a round number and it is perfectly compatible with setting appropriate resource targets for corporate goals. The idea that some sort of complex algorithm should be used indicates a misunderstanding of what business management actually consists of. It is much more social science than engineering.
>Counterpoint is that there is nothing wrong with a round number and it is perfectly compatible with setting appropriate resource targets for corporate goals. Yes, in this case the corporate goal is to fire 500 people as a sacrifice to the finance gods. If the goal was 'refocus strategy', you'd probably want to actually assess your business and determine who is no longer necessary, and you would doubtfully end up at…
The question isn't "who is no longer necessary".
The question is "do we think we can cut 500 roles (Y/N)"
The 2nd question is a reasonable and useful business assessment. The first question is not relevant and has no real answer.
Re: Dropbox to reduce global workforce by about 16%, or 500 staff
#216Literally every company is doing the same right now. It seems like the decision was quite simple.
Re: Dropbox to reduce global workforce by about 16%, or 500 staff
#217> In an ideal world, we’d simply shift people from one team to another. And we’ve done that wherever possible. However, our next stage of growth requires a different mix of skill sets, particularly in AI and early-stage product development. We’ve been bringing in great talent in these areas over the last couple years and we'll need even more. Imagine building a company that lets users store files online, seeing chatg…
Honestly I think it's actually a pretty fantastic development if that's the direction. I don't use Dropbox much, nor have I used aifiles (due to sending all of your data to OpenAI) - but the idea of being able to not have to manually and tediously look over terabytes of files to completely reorganize all of your files into a better directory hierarchy, and tag each files with meaningful labels, etc sounds phenomenal.
Obviously there are some implementation details for this to be not awful - for example: 1) only local models for local data, 2) making the changes on e.g. ZFS (to allow rollback) or as some type of optional 'overlay' view to switch back and forth from the original to ai-organized, etc. and 3) having thresholds and logic for what may be considered 'duplicates' to be removed, and how to better compress data
As for the de-duplication and processing: this could be very good for dropbox in that, e.g. if a person wants to completely re-encode all of their image files or video files with AV1, the resulting data could be cut in half or more - which saves Dropbox storage space. After which, neural perceptual hashing could be done on all of the files and a threshold of similarity could do de-duplication on a perceptual basis (for example, keep the bigger size file that is 99% similar to a 2x downsized version, and re-encode it). User preference to keep things like tiff files completely intact or any other lossless encoding of their choosing could be good options as well
There's definitely a strange disparity between the computation cost for deploying a decent model to do this compared to the storage cost - but if a (perhaps even non-LLM!) small model is created to be able to plow through data at fast rates could be deployed it may make sense.
Or perhaps the type of semantic compression that LLMs do are of interest for making a new type of lossy compression algorithm of which Dropbox is interested. It is certainly interesting that even the largest LLMs we are aware of contain only a few hundred GBs of weights, but have information on various topics from Pokemon to electric engineering, to cellular biology, to cake decorating - yet one instance of the best compressed pubmed database I can think of (only containing the small fraction of cell bio and med part of the LLM - perhaps 2% of it) is like 60GB with Zstd compressed (yes, yes, I know lossy vs lossless - but still) - which would be probably more like 1/2 or 1/4 of a typical SoTA LLM. So clearly lossy compression via including semantic info is hugely beneficial over typical lossy compression techniques (and perhaps one could argue, what often lossy compression algorithms try to model in the first place, in a very rudimentary way).
Re: Dropbox to reduce global workforce by about 16%, or 500 staff
#218Re: Dropbox to reduce global workforce by about 16%, or 500 staff
#219Earlier quoted context omitted.
Having worked in this industry for two decades (and a Dropbox user since its public launch) the "product strategy" of most of these companies is close to just spitballing. If you want a recent example you can look at Facebook lighting almost $40 billion with their Metaverse product. To add to that, Product leadership at technology companies has evolved to be much less technical, so they aren't going to have any deep…
I'll add my 2c because I'm getting a little annoyed that folks who only have familiarity with Dropbox's consumer offering seem to think they have any idea what they're talking about. In an enterprise, it can be extremely difficult to ensure your permissions are what you want them to be: that people can share things easily with the right groups, but also that sensitive data is not inadvertently exposed. Dropbox in par…
Re: Dropbox to reduce global workforce by about 16%, or 500 staff
#220Earlier quoted context omitted.
>Counterpoint is that there is nothing wrong with a round number and it is perfectly compatible with setting appropriate resource targets for corporate goals. Yes, in this case the corporate goal is to fire 500 people as a sacrifice to the finance gods. If the goal was 'refocus strategy', you'd probably want to actually assess your business and determine who is no longer necessary, and you would doubtfully end up at…
I think you are still trying to treat it as an engineering analysis. The question isn't "who is no longer necessary". The question is "do we think we can cut 500 roles (Y/N)" The 2nd question is a reasonable and useful business assessment. The first question is not relevant and has no real answer.