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Re: We glued together content moderation to stop soccer pirates

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What is the 3pm saturday blackout?

Games that happen at 3pm on Saturday are only allowed to be shown on TV to, uh, every country in the world except the UK. It is the stupidest holdover from Olden Times which has meant the fixture list is now fragmented across almost the entire week to accommodate broadcasters whilst attendances at those matches are still (modulo e.g. being a Monday night) "good". https://www.football-stadiums.co.uk/articles/football-…

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Re: We glued together content moderation to stop soccer pirates

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as a UK bloke in the US who supports a non-premier league team (Sunderland, currently in the EFL), i am legit screwed when it comes to wanting to pay to watch my team. it is literally impossible to pay to view while i reside in the USA. i want to pay, but i can't! hulu told me i could bundle EFL with Disney (!) but i was never able to see any Sunderland games on Hulu so i cancelled. EFL streams are hard to find, but…

The games are only viewable in the ESPN app. I’m pretty sure you can watch almost all EFL Championship games via ESPN Plus. You’ll have to download a different app, it’s not on Hulu,

ahh that is very good (and specific) information! i have tried to avoid "app"-based viewing, but it looks like i need to reconsider. thank you so much for the intel!

Re: We glued together content moderation to stop soccer pirates

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Sigh... f*ck sports leagues/governing bodies. The reason some honest people pirate streams for sporting events is because they make it so annoying to pay for them. Some examples... I live in the US. I briefly took an interest in the EPL. If I wanted to watch all EPL games (or have the option of watching any particular EPL game), I'd have to subscribe to Peacock _and_ Fubo -- and I'm still not sure that gets me all ga…

If you lived in the UK, supported Tottenham and wanted to watch all their games in the 2021/22 season you had to: Subscribe to Sky Sports (around £50-60 a month) for the Premier League games. Subscribe to BT Sports (30 a month) for the Saturday early kick off Premier League games and the Europa Conference League games. Subscribe to Amazon Prime for the 3 random weeks when they are showing the Premier League games ins…

I'm in the UK. I wanted to watch the recent Masters golf tournament and it turns out it was on Sky Sports. They also had a deal for six months subscription at ~GBP18/month on a month to month streaming only contract. Fine I thought, I also enjoy F1 and 20/20 Cricket, I guess that's reasonable value for three sports I have a passing interest in.

Upon reaching the checkout it turns out I needed to pay another GBP6.99/month for something called "Boost" to allow me to watch in 1080p.

I gave up.

Re: We glued together content moderation to stop soccer pirates

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This article could use big improvements in both its tone and organization. People don't have a lot of love for greedy sports broadcasters, and tech people are often associated with a kind of "information wants to be free" ethos (for better or worse), so starting out your blog post with: > identify and take action against soccer pirates and other delinquents who try to stream copyrighted content comes across as pretty…

Someone who pirates content, does not pay his bills and probably earns money through adverts I don't mind calling a delinquent.

The sentence easily read as calling consumers of streams "delinquents", and that's how I had read it. Because the verb "to stream" can be used to refer to both the server and client, same as "pirate" refers to both distributor and consumer. I had definitely read it as them calling the viewers of soccer streams being delinquents and pirates, since no further context was given.

This was my point -- the actual context isn't explained until the very end. And even then, it doesn't unambiguously clarify who is being attacked at the top.

Re: We glued together content moderation to stop soccer pirates

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heh. not sure if that's a internal joke from them... but they did wait until nobody is getting signal from airwaves to put in place rules limited to airwaves distribution. bloody marvelous.

I think most people got "signal from airwaves" in 1996. Most people still do, although don't necessarily use it very much.

Does iPlayer over Wifi count as "signal from airwaves"?

Re: We glued together content moderation to stop soccer pirates

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There's a common polycule meme where every new member pays for a different digital media subscription service and it's shared between everyone. If you get together with a few friends it's possible to split the costs of all these services. If you're sufficiently tech savvy, each person can run a VPN from their home so it doesn't look suspicious from the streaming service's end. Here's a video showing how to do this wi…

> If you're sufficiently tech savvy, each person can run a VPN from their home so it doesn't look suspicious from the streaming service's end. If I'm going to the trouble of exposing a VPN service over the internet for my friends, it's not so I can also pay for a streaming service.

I think for polycules it makes sense to have such practices, as a filter for people who don't want to contribute/share even something as simple as a subscription, and to make sure that they are on the same page with the membership of the other partners: if they don't agree with sharing the password, they might not be a good fit. People in polycules share partners, which is something so intimate, most people wouldn't be ready to do it (me included). It takes a lot of work and communication to maintain not just one relationship to one person, but multiple ones to multiple people. Paying for a subscription that you share with others is comparatively easy. And obviously, for existing members, having additional people means more subscription services you can watch.

Re: We glued together content moderation to stop soccer pirates

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Can't they find the vast majority of the large streamers by monitoring the reddit/irc/discord groups where the links are posted? That seems like a far more green way to find these things because there is minimal compute required. I know it doesn't sound as sexy as a hierarchy of triage flags and maybe some fancy "AI" dust, but that's how I would do it.

Re: We glued together content moderation to stop soccer pirates

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You pay to stream illegally, yet still somehow feel self righteous? I could understand the sentiment if you were putting in the work yourself

It's also an FU to people like me who work on the legal side of streaming. My work is devalued and my efforts are stolen by pirates for their own profit. They get the privilege of profiting from the streams we make which requires massive infrastructure, yet we get vilified. It's one thing to hate the way things are structured, it's another to think that it doesn't affect real people.

The companies themselves devalue it by not making it a valuable service. The pirates offer a better service, in your abscence of it.

Re: We glued together content moderation to stop soccer pirates

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There's actually a group that streamed pixelated FIFA-gameplay during games with the correct streams and all. It looked good enough so that people actually watched and they got the ad revenue off it :D Also: perfectly legal, they're just streaming a video game =)

Heh that’s actually kinda brilliant. With good enough engine you can make it almost indistinguishable from irl, hell you can even throw in some better camera angles. I do wonder if that’s going to be 100% legal going forward given potential for abuse here

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It's been said that a growing number of individuals are turning to Telegram to stream pirated soccer matches. These streams often have massive viewership, with all of the streaming costs allegedly covered by Pavel Durov. However, it's worth questioning how sustainable this model is, considering that while Pavel is certainly wealthy, it's unclear if he has any incentive to continue footing the bill for illegal soccer…

Before the paid/pro plan, Telegram was definitely burning a hole in Durov's wallet, but now without knowing how many people have subscribed to the paid plan, it's really hard to say. How do these pirate streams work on telegram? Are people using video chat to steam through the app or are people just sharing links?

They are streaming through the app, which has a streaming feature for channels.
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