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Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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Post by asynchronous »

mztwo wrote: post #22

As the news media and twitterverse peddled the whole "crime-ridden SF" angle, I felt myself getting drawn into the same topic and agreeing with numerous friends on how much the city has declined. This is a good reminder of how we gravitate towards powerful emotional narratives, which in the moment can feel absolutely true despite an utter lack of supporting facts on an individual murder case. I hope this brings some…

I don’t understand why it can’t be both: SF is degenerating when it comes to random crime AND this murder wasn’t by some random thug.

I remember reading blog after blog on HN about people moving out of SF specifically for what the city had become.

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Post by azinman2 »

jmacd wrote: post #149

I have a family member who is a police officer (investigator) in another country. I was telling them about this killing and how crazy things seemed in San Francisco during my last visit. His first and only response was "well, how do you know that's even related? Most people get killed by somebody they know." and I was like "well, yeah, but San Francisco is bad right now" and the conversation moved on.

It’s unclear from your anecdote if you either learned anything or came back to the conversation saying your family member’s hunch was right.

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Post by Consultant32452 »

cemerick wrote: post #182
idopmstuff wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem with saying that SF has relatively low violent crime is that it ignores the constant, extremely aggressive verbal assault that people are just accustomed to. In the years I lived there, I had people scream at me that they were going to kill/stab/etc. me at least a couple of dozen times (I would describe this as violent crime). Of course, if you call SFPD, they'll just tell you it's not an issue and ignore…

You're right, "violent crime" is a term of art that involves the commission of a…crime. "Verbal assault" is not assault. I guess if you don't like the vibes in a place, you can go somewhere else, but trying to use such things to influence how people talk about or perceive actual , no, for real crime is intellectual malpractice.

We should convince the SF tourism board to use this motto. Come to San Francisco, where our vibe is constant threats of murder but you probably won't actually get murdered!

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Post by AraceliHarker »

Wasn’t it a common perception among San Francisco residents that the security in San Francisco was getting worse, as shown by the testimony of Jake Shields, a friend of Bob Lee, who said that his girlfriend was attacked by a robber, even though it was a coincidence that the one who killed Bob Lee was an acquaintance? Besides, didn’t Bob Lee himself move to Miami because of the bad security in San Francisco?

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Post by azinman2 »

clint wrote: post #113
kaycebasques wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He is not their man yet. Innocent until proven guilty. The word "alleged" is important here. In Journalism 101 they teach you to be very careful when talking about suspected criminals. You don't want to portray someone as guilty until that has been proven in court.

They literally have video of the dude stabbing him

Where did you see that?

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Post by treeman79 »

idopmstuff wrote: post #180
cemerick wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only thing I'm "championing" (just pointing out, really) is that certain populations seem to enjoy using anecdotal tragedy to promote their own quasi-apocalyptic worldview re: some American cities, despite all available data contradicting that worldview. I'm sure everyone here appreciates the update on your locale, and your own stories of property crime and/or non-criminal (yet perhaps unnerving?) personal intera…

Someone saying that the have a gun and are going to shoot you is very clearly assault, which is a criminal act. It would generally quality as a violent crime in statistics (if SFPD took reports of threats of violence, which they will not). While we should use data, we should also understand where there may be issues with the data that we're using.

And depending on the DA you’ll be thrown in jail if you defend yourself.

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Post by dontwearitout »

f38zf5vdt wrote: post #103
carrja99 wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Shit, I wish I hadn't read those. I didn't need that today.

I would recommend just never going on Twitter, for any reason. People are less racist on 4chan these days.

The AI research community on twitter is absolutely great, that's the only reason I have an account.

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Post by inconceivable »

PaulWaldman wrote: post #138

It sounds like this information wasn't released publicly by the local authorities. The article has a link to a LinkedIn profile. The writer indicates that the name and city of the LI profile matches the information on the person they were "told" was arrested this morning. Even the name of the company of the person indicated is explicitly referenced in the article. My professional world doesn't allow for ambiguity. As…

> As a journalist, how sure do you need to be about the accuracy of this information before going public?

you're living in the past, my friend. no such professional standard exists today.

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