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UK airport scraps 100ml liquid rule with new scanners

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Post by johnwalkr »

kalleboo wrote: post #27

In Japan for domestic flights, they have some sort of a sniffer machine they put your liquids on for testing, so flying with them is fine. When I flew through Beijing and had forgotten a can of beer in my backpack (<3 Julebryg), it was flagged on the X-ray, and when they guy found it, saw "it was just a can of beer", he gave it back to me. I guess that works too.

I was going to write a similar comment. Flying domestic in Japan also requires no ID, little security, generally you are asked to go through security 15 minutes before boarding (the plane won't even be there if yo are early), fares are regular/published and don't skyrocket when a flight gets close to full (on the big carriers), and flights are easily changeable.

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Post by InitialLastName »

908B64B197 wrote: post #161
a2tech wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its a jobs program for the unemployable. That and political pork. The TSA is a complete failure at every level and is laughably bad at everything but draining money from the taxpayer and stepping on citizens rights. We should go back to metal detectors staffed by airport provided staff and scan checked bags for bombs (which is something that actually kind of works).

> Its a jobs program for the unemployable. That and political pork. This. A simple look at the profiles of known attackers would reveal it's completely futile to screen literal 0-risk travelers. Getting people to fear and believe that "everyone could be a menace" is a slippery slope and a slap at the core of our legal system (innocent until proven otherwise).

This misses the point of the TSA:

After 9/11 the air industry needed to convince people it was safe to fly, and what better way to do that than to establish performative safety on the government's tab.

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Post by InitialLastName »

deegles wrote: post #149
locallost wrote: post #12

I flew yesterday and in the plane realized I had some water from my daughter in the backpack. It was scanned and missed of course. And why wouldn't they miss it, it's a waste of time anyway. But at least they harassed a 3-year old to stand in a certain way to get scanned and fail at it. Unrelated, but I've come to believe it's a form of social welfare. So much policing for nothing, not just airports, wars on drugs et…

I had to throw away my nice Leatherman Micra (because of the tiny blade) at an airport because I forgot it was in my carry on, only to sit at a restaurant next to the gate and be given a full size serrated steak knife with my meal...

I have a colleague who travels frequently to perform installations of equipment at client sites. Every time he travels internationally he buys a new copy of his preferred screwdriver kit and takes it as carry-on through one of the busiest airports in the US. Every time he flies home, he has to throw the out when the foreign airport doesn't let it through.

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Post by locallost »

corbulo wrote: post #201
grishka wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Besides, taking drugs is a victimless crime. Theft or murder, on the other hand, both have very real victims.

100,000 dead annually from using would like to have a word. 70k of those are fentanyl by the way. Victimless though right? All those people could quit any time they want, right?

No, but it's not the root cause that should be fought.

Things that cause drug abuse, especially the most harmful ones, are:

* lack of education. This was sometimes on purpose, with drug companies lying to get people hooked on opioids

* poverty and despair in general

* mental health

* many other things

Those can and should be fought, and they are a lot more effective than policing overall, and also a lot cheaper.

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Post by grishka »

corbulo wrote: post #201
grishka wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Besides, taking drugs is a victimless crime. Theft or murder, on the other hand, both have very real victims.

100,000 dead annually from using would like to have a word. 70k of those are fentanyl by the way. Victimless though right? All those people could quit any time they want, right?

People do it to themselves. It's not like people don't know what hard drugs do to human body. They willingly start taking them. It ultimately is their own choice. Same can be said about alcoholism, btw, yet that is perfectly legal.

Somehow, it's mostly accepted that making it harder to intentionally kill oneself is not the right way to stop people from committing suicide. Yet at the same time, we still consider this total war on drugs the correct approach to preventing people from killing themselves with drug abuse. The sibling comment is right.

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Post by _8j50 »

deegles wrote: post #149
locallost wrote: post #12

I flew yesterday and in the plane realized I had some water from my daughter in the backpack. It was scanned and missed of course. And why wouldn't they miss it, it's a waste of time anyway. But at least they harassed a 3-year old to stand in a certain way to get scanned and fail at it. Unrelated, but I've come to believe it's a form of social welfare. So much policing for nothing, not just airports, wars on drugs et…

I had to throw away my nice Leatherman Micra (because of the tiny blade) at an airport because I forgot it was in my carry on, only to sit at a restaurant next to the gate and be given a full size serrated steak knife with my meal...

I made the same mistake but in the US, TSA has a machine they direct you to where you can mail yourself the item with, which I did but it took like two weeks to arrive.

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Post by rottingchris »

pavlov wrote: post #114

The Helsinki airport eliminated the liquid rule last year. It also applies to electronics, they can stay in the bag. And of course shoes stay on (European airports never did this particular bit of post-9/11 security theatre). After experiencing how easy it can be, traveling from the US feels like a special hell with the multi-stage papers checks and endless lines and shoeless security dances.

Many European countries require taking your shoes off. At the very least, I have had to do it every single time at multiple UK and Polish airports in the last couple of years.

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Post by trasz3 »

jsjohnst wrote: post #95
Grimburger wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Securing the doors allowed the Germanwings flight 9525 massacre to be carried out and potentially Malaysian Airlines flight 370 too.

No, what allowed that was them not requiring two people to be on the flight deck. That’s insane to me (and doesn’t happen in the US which customarily has a two person rule, which I believe is defined in Part 121, but still trying to find it).

That wouldn’t matter at all if not for the locking down the cockpit.

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Post by trasz3 »

corbulo wrote: post #201
grishka wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Besides, taking drugs is a victimless crime. Theft or murder, on the other hand, both have very real victims.

100,000 dead annually from using would like to have a word. 70k of those are fentanyl by the way. Victimless though right? All those people could quit any time they want, right?

The vast majority of drug victims are really the victims of war on drugs - that’s what makes clean, safe drugs unavailable and forces people to use dangerous replacements.

From the very beginning the American war on drugs was motivated by racism. It’s just another state-organized genocide in disguise.

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