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Re: He who submits a resume has already lost

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post #171

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Can you tell me how good my chilli con carne is going to taste? These are the ingredients I use: ground beef, tomatoes, peppers, onions, garlic, red beans, and of course, chilli.

See, no secret ingredient.

I actually got a secret ingredient: adding a square of dark chocolate to the sauce. And I don't think my chilli is anything special, while a better cook can make a great one with the exact same list of ingredients.

Point is, resumes are overrated.

Re: He who submits a resume has already lost

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post #89

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If I truly loved your vision or product or something or believed in it, I probably would start my own competition. If I want to invest in it why not go all in. But I don't. So it is a transaction and you are one in hundreds of options I have over years. And you should also treat it like that.

Why would you believe in a company? It's not God or your wife.

On one level, it's more enjoyable to do work that's aligned with your values. That gives you "self-actualization" points in the ol' pyramid.

But on another level, either because you're getting equity, or because you'd like to stay employed for a while, "believing" in the company is a shorthand for saying you think that the company is going to succeed, so that your equity is worth more, or so that you don't find yourself out of a job on someone else's schedule.

Re: He who submits a resume has already lost

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Evidently you haven't read their landing page since it's definitely not a fancy CRUD app and as a developer of fancy CRUD apps, what they're doing does excite me (too bad I'm not looking for a job!). And given that they're an early stage company (my company is as well), I have had employees who were working as a boring day job for the comp alone, vs those who do it out of genuine interest in the space, and it excites…

Be honest. The reason you take the second candidate is because they’re easier to exploit. Jfc - I know a lot of founders personally and they’ll all say that in private. You’re online - on an anonymous forum. You’re not at risk for saying something that we all know. Stop lying.

Hmm, so let's say you are hiring a guy to build you a fence. One guy keeps talking about all the potential designs and tradeoffs and can show you what he did with each one before, and the other guy is like, whatever man, it's a fence, I'm licensed - you are only hiring the first guy because he's "easier to exploit"?

Re: He who submits a resume has already lost

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post #6

> That leaves a field of 40 more-or-less qualified people who have at this point all committed a significant amount of time doing unpaid labor for a company to manage the company’s risk and hiring costs. Ahh yes, the "significant amount of time doing unpaid labor" of sending my resume via email, which took me all of 5 minutes.

Lets say you're someone who has changed careers alot, it means finding and applying is your full-time job for months on end. Despite people who have changed careers, succesfully, are often the best kind of people you'd want to hire.

I wonder if there is some atonement ritual that those of us who have strayed from the career path can go through to be accepted back,.. like bathing in the Living Waters beneath an amazon data center..

Re: He who submits a resume has already lost

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post #138

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My most recent job was with Intel. I got invited to some kind of recruiting event, I'm not sure how. One of my friends was trying to get me to join, so maybe he sent them my email address? Or maybe they spotted me on LinkedIn? I have no idea. Anyways, I ended up talking to one of their senior engineers on the project they were hiring for. I can't remember if it came out then or later that that senior engineer was a c…

What is an un-conference? Never heard that term before.

It's like a conference, but there isn't an attendance fee or pre-scheduled presenters. At the beginning, there's a big board with a grid of timeslots and rooms. If you want to give a talk, you write down your name and what the talk is about on a sheet of paper and stick it in one of the grid squares. If it sounds interesting, people will show up.

BarCamp started as sort of a reaction to an O'Reiley event called FooCamp which was invitation-only, and in Portland it ran for a number of years until it got replaced by Open Source Bridge which ran for a few more years. I'm not aware of anything like it in Portland now, which is a shame.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foo_Camp

Re: He who submits a resume has already lost

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post #132

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Well, I pretty much told them that 2 weeks ago. If they want more than that... I'm not sure what else I can do. Right now, I'm actually starting to ponder whether I should tell them "no", because it starts to feel like a red flag.

Ghost them and move on. Why waste your time?

> Why waste your time?

Personally I don't feel great contributing to the trend of ghosting everyone, and sending a thank you note adds a sense of closure and completion.

Re: He who submits a resume has already lost

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Sure. And my general attitude is that if my employer can replace me then they should, so I can do something more productive (where I will be harder to replace). And to state the obvious: when you run your work life like this for 20 years you get pretty hard to replace.

The graveyard is full of the previously irreplaceable. "...20 years" Ohh sorry, we can't hire you. It's a "culture fit" issue. (We aren't allowed to say it's an age filter! It's "culture"- we aren't ageist!)

The grave yards are full of irreplaceable people.

Look: It’s not that we disagree about how the world works, it’s that we give it a different emotional coloring. Yours sounds bitter and resentful to me.

Re: He who submits a resume has already lost

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post #215

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What is an un-conference? Never heard that term before.

It's like a conference, but there isn't an attendance fee or pre-scheduled presenters. At the beginning, there's a big board with a grid of timeslots and rooms. If you want to give a talk, you write down your name and what the talk is about on a sheet of paper and stick it in one of the grid squares. If it sounds interesting, people will show up. BarCamp started as sort of a reaction to an O'Reiley event called FooCa…

Interesting format. Never heard of it before.

Re: He who submits a resume has already lost

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Evidently you haven't read their landing page since it's definitely not a fancy CRUD app and as a developer of fancy CRUD apps, what they're doing does excite me (too bad I'm not looking for a job!). And given that they're an early stage company (my company is as well), I have had employees who were working as a boring day job for the comp alone, vs those who do it out of genuine interest in the space, and it excites…

Be honest. The reason you take the second candidate is because they’re easier to exploit. Jfc - I know a lot of founders personally and they’ll all say that in private. You’re online - on an anonymous forum. You’re not at risk for saying something that we all know. Stop lying.

If Person A wants to do X, and Person B wants somebody to do X for them, they agree on a fee, then I call it a win-win situation.

Wannabe-capitalists call it "exploitation" and pretend they're badasses comparable to the truly horrible kinds of exploitations that happened 100+ years ago (or in some other parts of the world they never been to).

Re: He who submits a resume has already lost

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post #13

Overly generalized rant. Sure some jobs happen outside the resume submission system, but most of the employment market works via resume submission. There’s no value in reading this post.

Thinking back on my life, I can't remember a single example where I ever got a job just by submitting a resume. Either I already knew someone in the organization or otherwise had a relationship with it to begin with (e.g. I got a summer grounds job at a University because I was already a student there), or I met someone at an event who was looking for people to hire.

I've gotten my last two offers -- as a senior engineer at Dropbox and as an engineer at a top-end quantitative trading firm -- from cold resume submission without any networking. I also got interviews in this last round from both Jane Street and Hudson River Trading based purely on a cold resume submission.

Admittedly, my resume is excellent, but jobs can absolutely happen from just sending in an application and a resume. Even really good, high-paying jobs.

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