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Re: I lost everything that made me love my job through Midjourney

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Post by lunfard000 »

pkdpic wrote: post #128

This is a tragic disappointment a lot of (if not most (if not an overwhelming majority (if not literally all))) artists experience at some point early or late in their professional careers. I taught art for a long time and I would always try to frame this inevitable experience as an important moment of growth. When you have to form a deeper relationship to your creative work and think strategically about how you want…

in the other hand this will enable developers without art skills to produce their indie games with a professional-looking art on their own.

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Post by [deleted] »

scotty79 wrote: post #198
6177c40f wrote: post #98

What's really the point of AI? Is perfect efficiency and maximized profit really the end goal we've been trying to achieve this whole time?

The whole point of all progress is democratization of the product/service through making the production process cheaper.

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Re: I lost everything that made me love my job through Midjourney

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Post by bruce511 »

jay_kyburz wrote: post #142
kodah wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What jobs have been totally replaced thus far?

Companies are slow to move on things, but I think "video game concept artist" is done. An art director can now sit down in front of Midjourny and pump out years and years of a concept artists work in just an afternoon.

When electric sound amplification came along, it put most professional musicians out of business. Instead of an orchestra all you need is a band of 3 or 4.

Making music expanded though. In the sense that more people played, there was more variety, and indeed more professional musicians today than 100 years ago. (the bar for entry is also lower, and most are permantly broke - take that as you will.)

Some orchestras still exist. But they're pretty rare.

So yes, alot of job descriptions and job titles will change. Making indie games just got a lot easier. But where you see loss, many others see opportunity.

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Post by paweladamczuk »

rakejake wrote: post #155
kodah wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AI won't take a thought workers job. It just sucks the life out of it. Like the person who wrote this post, I make bespoke software. I tinker, I experiment, and I produce high quality results in reasonable timelines. Executives could not give a shit about that, except that those qualities in me are a good signal that I am dependable. Now, if most companies allow AI bottom performers will speed up and their quality wi…

Amen. AI will make us all "managers" of some sort. Goodbye to getting in flow state and trying to build something yourself, and say hello to a gazillion meetings from morning until evening figuring out what to build and what prompt to feed to the AI. AI is going to make our bullshit jobs even shittier.

Instead of grinding away over a piece of code, I will get to talk to people more?

Doesn't sound like such a bad deal to me.

I get your point, of course. I just think communication can be like a craft, challenging and rewarding. I try to frame things positively, it helps me stay motivated at work.

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Post by borissk »

dukeofdoom wrote: post #192
nomilk wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is exactly the type of conversation we need to have as a society. Jobs have been disappearing at a high rate for at least a couple of generations now, and have steadily been replaced with new ones, often high paying ones. We can't control which jobs are in high, low, and no demand, so we're best off swimming with the current, whichever way it flows. 1. Accept that professions come and go. 2. Expect jobs to dis…

Endless amount of things that need improving.

The things that are easy to improve have been improved long ago.

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Post by lunfard000 »

462436347 wrote: post #113

These AI systems will sound the death knell for the creative culture of openness and sharing that emerged during the web 1.0 era with the Creative Commons and OSI-approved licenses and sites like DeviantArt, NewGrounds, and SourceForge, and which still exists today, albeit in a less idealistic form. Once people realize that by putting something, even just a blog post, out for public consumption, especially if done so…

Let's not pretend that is just altruism why people "open-source" their art or code. Most of them do it to get noticed.

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Post by Turskarama »

thorncorona wrote: post #191
nomilk wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is exactly the type of conversation we need to have as a society. Jobs have been disappearing at a high rate for at least a couple of generations now, and have steadily been replaced with new ones, often high paying ones. We can't control which jobs are in high, low, and no demand, so we're best off swimming with the current, whichever way it flows. 1. Accept that professions come and go. 2. Expect jobs to dis…

> 1. Accept that professions come and go. 2. Expect jobs to disappear every decade or so and plan accordingly. 3. Look forward to an awesome new job after your current one is made obsolete. That goes for all of us. What can we do? Hope to save enough to not go into more debt for a second degree? Hope that second degree isn’t obsoleted either? As AI becomes more advanced the minimum education and likely IQ required to…

The solution is the same one we should have had from the start: take some of the responsibility from peoples careers off individuals and place it on society. As mentioned above, this has always been a problem it's just that now it's a problem for intellectual careers and not just laborers.

Education (and re-education) should be at least affordable if not completely free. Unemployment benefits should be enough to live on (if not well) and be freely available to anyone getting an education. If that is "too expensive" then limit it to specific educations which are currently in short supply.

And lastly, tax income from investments exactly the same as income from labour. This part is actually necessary because if automation is a future we actually want (and we should!) then this will increasingly become the _only_ form of income.

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Post by danjac »

nomilk wrote: post #179
rafaelero wrote: post #78

When DALL-E 2 was released, I remember reading lots of people here in HN saying it would never take the jobs of artists. Well, seems like this argument is aging badly. This is exactly the type of conversation we need to have as a society. Instead of deluding ourselves that our skills are impossible to be reproduced by a machine, we should strive to build a system with values in which we can find a way to build a good…

> This is exactly the type of conversation we need to have as a society. Jobs have been disappearing at a high rate for at least a couple of generations now, and have steadily been replaced with new ones, often high paying ones. We can't control which jobs are in high, low, and no demand, so we're best off swimming with the current, whichever way it flows. 1. Accept that professions come and go. 2. Expect jobs to dis…

3. Look forward to an awesome new job after your current one is made obsolete.

You do realize that "awesome new job" will require years of training and experience?

Enjoy working at the Amazon Fulfilment Center in the meantime (until of course that's automated too).

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Post by danjac »

kodah wrote: post #105
rafaelero wrote: post #78

When DALL-E 2 was released, I remember reading lots of people here in HN saying it would never take the jobs of artists. Well, seems like this argument is aging badly. This is exactly the type of conversation we need to have as a society. Instead of deluding ourselves that our skills are impossible to be reproduced by a machine, we should strive to build a system with values in which we can find a way to build a good…

AI won't take a thought workers job. It just sucks the life out of it. Like the person who wrote this post, I make bespoke software. I tinker, I experiment, and I produce high quality results in reasonable timelines. Executives could not give a shit about that, except that those qualities in me are a good signal that I am dependable. Now, if most companies allow AI bottom performers will speed up and their quality wi…

There was a fear that nanotechnology could accidentally turn everything into gray goo.

AI is that, but for intellectual output.

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Post by dukeofdoom »

borissk wrote: post #215
dukeofdoom wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Endless amount of things that need improving.

The things that are easy to improve have been improved long ago.

Not really, have a closer look at anything outside. The Sun and rain and weather constantly erode the condition of human creations.

Try fixing some roads and bridges to start with. They're in terrible shape in most of the US. Any city could probably employ 10 times as many gardeners to take care of the plants and build nicer things.

Elderly need taking care of, and young people teaching. Houses need cleaning. Shoes need shinning. Endless list really.

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