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Post by Runways »

nrp wrote: post #167
dakial1 wrote: post #87

I wonder if there is a market for a framework gaming laptop. Really hope there is. Also, on another note, I've read this engadget article about how other companies tried to build an upgradeable laptop and failed but I see Framework as a different kind of beast for one simple reason. This is their only value proposition, they don't have an alternative. In a very "Innovator's Dilemma" kind of. way, Dell and other big m…

We’ve been very deliberate about making this not a traditional gaming laptop, but a laptop that can be configured with enough performance to play intense games. You can configure it without the Graphics Module and have a high-performance 16” notebook with reconfigurable input and easy repairability and upgradeabilty.

If you could make it so you can completely turn off the dGPU through software (boot menu?), pulling no power, it would be insane. I would love the power of a dGPU to play casually on trips but turn it off for normal use when I'm just working. Also, I LOVE that it wouldn't look like a gaming laptop. I'm tired of the gamer-esque design cues, even when they're subtle (RGB keyboards are okay if configurable).

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Post by freeplay »

apetrovic wrote: post #128
panick21_ wrote: post #104

One of my favorite things for keyboards is the ThinkPad feature where the Page Up and Page Down is above the Left and Right key. I don't understand why others don't do this, its so practical. Specially in cases like this, there is just an empty space there. Why not put 2 more keys? ThinkPad also makes them full sized keys, that would be even better. But just having empty space? Why?

Because it's easier to touch empty space and adjust fingers. Back when I worked on Thinkpad, I really hated these keys, whenever I accidentally pressed them. I don't say you're wrong, just it's a matter of taste. It's the same with mechanical keyboards - I can't use these compact 75% keyboards where arrows/Pg Up/Pg Down/Home/End are flush with other keys; but a bit "exploded" layout, with just a bit of space between…

Absolutely agree. I have those keys remapped to an additional left and right arrow on my T480 because I was constantly pressing them while navigating on the command line and it would erase my entire command.

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Post by causi »

nrp wrote: post #165

I’m happy to answer questions that folks have on this. There was also an earlier HN thread on our full launch event where we announced 13th Gen Intel Core and AMD Ryzen 7040 Series versions of the Framework Laptop 13, along with a bunch of other stuff: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35277660

Why are there still only tiny slivered arrow keys when the palm rest is so big you could park a car on it?

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Post by jiehong »

tracker1 wrote: post #106
bootloop wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess its because they didn't translate the article into french. What I also find confusing is that when you change the language, the controls are still in the original language. I can guess what button is for changing the language but still not a great design.

Yeah... considering there are good browser APIs and most server platforms support language matching, that they could relatively easily deliver language content without specific language endpoints. Not that it's easy, just completely doable if it's a significant concern.

Automatic language matching is a real pain actually.

- sometimes the article / product is only available in 1 language and the redirection leads nowhere (I’ve seen it many times)

- the language of my phone/computer does not match the one where I live, and even maybe not the language I used to search for that thing in the first place.

So yeah, I never like it, especially when you live near the border of multiple countries and websites want to select the language based on location….

It would be nice if language selection was standardised and browsers would just offer a button and a default choice that websites would follow: no need to hunt for the language box on websites.

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Post by mastax »

cduzz wrote: post #80
Leimi wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sadly I feel like trackpoints are really end of life and I wouldn't be surprised if Lenovo ditched them entirely soon. It seems they keep it only to please the tiny but vocal minority of tinkerers that we are. But we mostly buy old, second hand thinkpads. And as keyboards get thinner, trackpoints lose in quality. On linux it seems the software side is also not as good as before with libinput. So I'd be really surpris…

There's a trope in car nerd circles of "We all know the best vehicle is a manual transmission brown diesel station wagon" and then of course these people only buy one that's 10 years old, so at this point no car company makes such a beast new . Pre-covid I'd made do with whatever garbage keyboard and garbage monitor $job dumped in front of me, but almost by happenstance I ended up with a 16:10 monitor and an IBM M4-1…

I'd buy a new station wagon, but I wouldn't pay $70k, or whatever Volvo wants for one.

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Post by itronitron »

nrp wrote: post #170
liamN wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wont discount that as a possibility, but it kind of goes against the company's mission, so I think thats kind of unlikely. A more likely explanation (in my mind) is that being a small company, there's a lot more variability of quality in each unit's parts than you would see from a larger company with more mature factories etc. My partner and I both have frameworks, but mine has had a lot of issues with the track pa…

I think the poster is stating that their family has four gaming laptops, but zero Framework Laptops, since our first product only shipped in 2021. On your trackpad, could you reach out to our support team? We definitely want to resolve that for you.

Yes, to be clear the gaming laptops I was describing are not Framework laptops :)

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Post by lumb63 »

dakial1 wrote: post #87

I wonder if there is a market for a framework gaming laptop. Really hope there is. Also, on another note, I've read this engadget article about how other companies tried to build an upgradeable laptop and failed but I see Framework as a different kind of beast for one simple reason. This is their only value proposition, they don't have an alternative. In a very "Innovator's Dilemma" kind of. way, Dell and other big m…

I think Framework open sourcing their design helps a lot too. It creates a community and helps fix the “manufacturer couldn’t deliver what we wanted”.

Don’t like something? Fix it!

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Post by miloignis »

codedokode wrote: post #103

Finally, a proper screen size instead of toy-level 13 inches. You cannot code on a 13-inch display (unless you have eagle's eyes and use tiny font) and it feels like the only use for 13-inch laptop is to watch videos and photos on social network sites while sitting in a cafe which makes it a toy, not a real laptop for work (but Apple seems to be selling such toy laptops successfully). By the way the current trend is…

Part of the point is that they're making a laptop where you can design entirely new keyboards and other input modules to replace what currently exists, so you could get your dream keyboard layout.
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