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Mario Kart Tour Triggers You into Gambling Your Money

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Post by konichi-value »

atdrummond wrote: post #154
chongli wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's when I learned what a greedy exploitative platform it is I bought a game (Spelunky) on the Switch online shop. Nintendo then proceeded to send me constant emails about how my “coins are expiring.” So they award coins for purchases which you can save up to get “free” games, but then make them gradually expire if you don’t use them. What kind of high pressure sales tactic is this? I was really turned off. I can…

For what it is worth, the Yamauchi family has been slowly selling their portion of the company for nearly a decade. ( https://www.campdenfb.com/article/nintendo-heirs-sell-stake-... ). The shareholder structure is the only thing keeping in control and they definitely care about how happy shareholders are. Luckily, the particular shareholders they are concerned with tend to hold for an extremely long period of time (J…

Actually, their largest shareholder after the Yamauchi family is The Public Investment Fund of The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia

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Post by antifa »

Parmenidea wrote: post #192
datavirtue wrote: post #163

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Yeah, but you only spent $10. The investors aren't going to stand for that crap when all these other companies are scamming their way to thousands. $10 or $4000 in revenue...take your pick. Gambling needs defined and outlawed in every way possible. The recent supreme court ruling that released the sports gambling hounds has me gobsmacked with absolute disbelief.

This is such a strange take. From a legal standpoint, why is it a qualified use of government paternalism to outlaw gambling? We should not be asking the government to set laws based on morality. Practically speaking, and apologies in advance for how obvious this argument is…when you ban gambling, it doesn’t disappear, it simply goes underground. Criminal actors benefit while the state is unable to enforce any protec…

> when you ban gambling, it doesn’t disappear, it simply goes underground.

I don't care if randos gamble in a back alley, I just don't want my kids to open up Google Play and over 90% of the games are just gambling.

I don't want gambling forced on me as the vast majority of ethical games dry up because they're all going "whale hunting".

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Post by greenknight »

SpaceManNabs wrote: post #148
Naga wrote: post #5

Nintendo has such a great, family friendly brand. If I was in charge, I wouldn't want my brand to be anywhere close to being associated to this type of thing.

PokemonUnite is pretty egregious too.

I swear Pokemon Unite has 5 different currencies. Gems, Tickets, Coins, Fashion Tickets, Holowear tickets. But then there are other items / collector things which can be used to spend on other stuff, like energy.

Its super confusing and hard to explain, because it doesnt make sense!

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Post by BoorishBears »

klodolph wrote: post #165
BoorishBears wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You setup a strawman (perhaps unintentionally) with this sentence: > Currency is a resource by ignoring the context of the comment you replied to, and the rest of your comment just builds upon that. Currency in this context is not just a resource, it's specifically resources tied into a system of microtransactions. So that includes currency you buy directly with money and currency that is accepted alongside purchasab…

To be honest I’m baffled by this comment. I’m not really trying to argue against anybody or against any specific viewpoint so the idea that I set up a strawman has me confused. If you’re talking about rubies, emeralds, and gold, can you explain where those come from? Maybe provide a link? As far as I know, in Mario Kart Tour the key limited currency is rubies. You can exchange rubies for coins, fire them into a pipe…

> So that includes currency you buy directly with money and currency that is accepted alongside purchasable currency

Mario Kart Tour is letting you trade one currency that is paid for another that is earned. That "taints" the currency that can be earned by allowing them to use it to hide the real cost of an item.

And to top it off here Mario Kart is artificially limiting how many of the "earned" currency you can actually earn per day.

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You're also getting caught up on non-existent currencies that were named as digs at pay-to-win shovelware... this isn't about a literal game with "Rubies Emeralds and Gold"* it's about how currency X Y and Z are intermeshed to keep people buying.

* Rubies is one of the premier cliched names for premium currency in a P2W game, it's not unique to MK...

https://clickerheroes.fandom.com/wiki/Rubies https://war-dragons-archive.fandom.com/wiki/Rubies https://twitter.com/TWD__Survivors/status/148019707811037593... https://gamermovil.com/free-rubies-dangerous-fellows/ https://mytona.helpshift.com/hc/en/5-cooking-diary/faq/318-r... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0QwrCfYnVE

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Post by Fatnino »

They got rid of this pipe gambling thing last year. How old is this article?

Nowadays you just outright buy whatever character you need with rubies. Rubies can be earned by playing normally, or you can buy rubies for money. The prices for characters is a little bit steep but not so bad you can't earn enough rubies free each tour to buy what you need.

Another decent strategy is to pick a tour where you will just let things slide and you just grind coins and rubies.

I haven't spent a cent and I've been playing for almost 2 years.

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Post by faeriechangling »

Naga wrote: post #5

Nintendo has such a great, family friendly brand. If I was in charge, I wouldn't want my brand to be anywhere close to being associated to this type of thing.

I think they tried to do things clean with games like "Super Mario Run", I think they really really tried and even when it did kind of work investors weren't happy seeing how games like Diablo Immortal was the highest grossing Diablo game ever and Nintendo wouldn't just take the money just sitting there in front of them.

I see this game as a capitulation and it's akin to seeing Santa Claus dying.

I would support a law against this entire business model on digital app stores, not necessarily a total ban, but something. No company can resist the temptation unless they are forced to. Google and Apple are making tons and tons of cash off unfettered addiction. Good luck though - there's an entire industry making a lot of money off this and a lot of decent jobs that depend on addicts feeding the system.

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Post by Linosaurus »

klodolph wrote: post #165
BoorishBears wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You setup a strawman (perhaps unintentionally) with this sentence: > Currency is a resource by ignoring the context of the comment you replied to, and the rest of your comment just builds upon that. Currency in this context is not just a resource, it's specifically resources tied into a system of microtransactions. So that includes currency you buy directly with money and currency that is accepted alongside purchasab…

To be honest I’m baffled by this comment. I’m not really trying to argue against anybody or against any specific viewpoint so the idea that I set up a strawman has me confused. If you’re talking about rubies, emeralds, and gold, can you explain where those come from? Maybe provide a link? As far as I know, in Mario Kart Tour the key limited currency is rubies. You can exchange rubies for coins, fire them into a pipe…

In Mario kart, the dollar -> ruby -> gold -> toad chain (from the OP) is designed to obfuscate the cost and get players to spend more money than if it was just dollar -> toad.

Multiple currencies (that can be indirectly bought for dollars) is thus a symptom of a game designed to remove my money.

You seemed to be suggesting that we should not be skeptical of this, because similar game design elements can be used for other reasons.

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Post by Danieru »

chongli wrote: post #151
guelo wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've never been into Nintendo but after having kids I kept hearing this about how great they are for families so I bought a Switch. That's when I learned what a greedy exploitative platform it is: overcharging for games, nickle and dimeing for everything, and abusing their fan's nostalgia. I definitely don't want to get my kids invested in their platform so I got rid of the Switch. Steam has more than we need anyway.…

That's when I learned what a greedy exploitative platform it is I bought a game (Spelunky) on the Switch online shop. Nintendo then proceeded to send me constant emails about how my “coins are expiring.” So they award coins for purchases which you can save up to get “free” games, but then make them gradually expire if you don’t use them. What kind of high pressure sales tactic is this? I was really turned off. I can…

The coins, both the giving of and the expiring, are 100% a Japanese culture thing.

Most japanese residents can tell you near every store will have a points card system where you get 1% back in points. Or 0.5% for the stingy super markets.

What is lesser known is that by law such points, and even digital in-game currency, must expire else be considered money and regulated as such.

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