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Re: Google search for a local restaurant returns scammer’s ad as top result

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Maybe. But it's easier to say "dial 911" when a country has 911. If India doesn't have something like 911, what is google supposed to recommend? Call 0118 999 881 999 119 725 3!

I don't know, google maps seems to find the phone numbers for places pretty easily. Why is search any different?

Advertisers pay and it's reasonable from financial perspective for Google to turn a blind eye before any complaints.

Their main business is ads, not search.

Re: Google search for a local restaurant returns scammer’s ad as top result

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It also sounds like Google knows to do the right thing when the country government they operate in force them to.

Maybe. But it's easier to say "dial 911" when a country has 911. If India doesn't have something like 911, what is google supposed to recommend? Call 0118 999 881 999 119 725 3!

Thanks, that jingle will be in my head all day...!

Re: Google search for a local restaurant returns scammer’s ad as top result

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That was incredibly funny. I can even agree with Trip Advisors' reasoning that their main concern are not fake restaurants, but dodgy reviews. Nevertheless, this never should have been allowed to slip through the cracks. It wasn't just a make pretend great London eatery on Trip Advisors. It was fucking number 1 in a city with literally 10s of thousands rated restaurants.

Think about it. Pushing a fake restaurant to number 1 is not that hard. No real people eat at it and so no real person writes a less-than-five-star review. Real restaurants have off nights. Or maybe they have a snooty patron that is overly picky. Real restaurants-- even the best of them-- get a few one star reviews. So if you're looking at averages, there's no way that real can compete with fake.

Maybe "average rating" shouldn't be a more-heavily-weighted metric than "confirmed existence of dining establishment".

Re: Google search for a local restaurant returns scammer’s ad as top result

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Sounds like India needs a single number for all emergency services instead of the fractured system they have now.

I believe 112 is already the single emergency number. It appears to be a relatively recent thing though.

Tbh, I (and most Indians) don't know how 112 works.

In the US, if you dial 9-1-1 for a medical emergency, in most regions, it is highly likely that an ambulance with EMT/paramedics will arrive in In my city of Bengaluru, there are, no exaggeration, good hospitals within 2-5 km of any point in the city. Most of these hospitals have ambulance fleets that can get to you fast, within 10-15 minutes. Anecdotally, people prefer calling these hospitals directly for ambulance.

Caveat: I am not recommending hospital ambulances over 112, but just saying that I am not aware of 1-1-2 response time and effectiveness.

Re: Google search for a local restaurant returns scammer’s ad as top result

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In India, Google search for a pretty specific string, " ambulance phone number," showed up a bunch of scammy ads. In our distraught state (an elderly relative had just had a fall), we accidentally called the top ad which turned out to be a scam ambulance service. A beat up van showed up, without any EMT, a sketchy stretcher without straps, and no tracks or fasteners to hold it down inside the van. We were outraged an…

Sounds like India needs a single number for all emergency services instead of the fractured system they have now.

Not sure why there no direct replies to this, but 108 is a dedicated line for all emergencies. Interestingly 112 and 911 have also worked for me in the past when butt dialed.

Re: Google search for a local restaurant returns scammer’s ad as top result

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post #162

In India, Google search for a pretty specific string, " ambulance phone number," showed up a bunch of scammy ads. In our distraught state (an elderly relative had just had a fall), we accidentally called the top ad which turned out to be a scam ambulance service. A beat up van showed up, without any EMT, a sketchy stretcher without straps, and no tracks or fasteners to hold it down inside the van. We were outraged an…

New business idea: Mug the fake ambulance drivers.

Re: Google search for a local restaurant returns scammer’s ad as top result

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Nevermind that if you are relying primarily on agents of the state to prevent fraud, your society is already fundamentally broken. The state enforcing laws using the threat of violence (the only enforcement mechanism they have) is a last resort, not a first. Institutions having the desire to not create a broken world should be the first line of defense. Google doesn't give a fuck anymore, and are fine watching the wo…

>Nevermind that if you are relying primarily on agents of the state to prevent fraud, your society is already fundamentally broken. Huh? Why's this? It seems like a core component of a functional state to me, and if the state is doing a decent job, why should a bunch of private parties be sticking their noses in too?

The same argument comes up in atheism-- "if you don't believe in [eternal damnation], what stops you from just killing people indiscriminately?" It reflects the sad state of the asker's moral compass.

Same with Catholics and confession-- another broken system in which you are free to sin arbitrarily through confession and repentance. The point of the doctrine itself is to transcend the cycle and be better than that. (I know little about it but I'm told there is a similar mechanism in Hinduism re: karma.)

Fear of god/state/consequence keeps people in line, but it's a failsafe, not the governor. The only thing preventing fraud in your tribe should not be the intangible threat of later consequence from a greater authority. You're supposed to respect each other enough to not prey on your own kind.

Another take is looking at crimes like CSA. The state punishes it when it is brought to their attention, but that does not absolve the community from necessarily participating in its policing ahead of that-- the community are the ones best positioned to detect, intervene, and enforce social norms around it in the first place.

Re: Google search for a local restaurant returns scammer’s ad as top result

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I don't know, google maps seems to find the phone numbers for places pretty easily. Why is search any different?

Advertisers pay and it's reasonable from financial perspective for Google to turn a blind eye before any complaints. Their main business is ads, not search.

I guess it's too bad that having a purely financial perspective just isn't reasonable in most cases. I don't understand why people think that's a good excuse to harm and endanger lives, what a wild take

Re: Google search for a local restaurant returns scammer’s ad as top result

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This is an utopia and the definition of utopia is that this is not a problem. This might be because this surveillance is benevolent. Another way could be that everybody has the tools to do this surveillance themselves in a beneficial way for everybody. That's utopia for you (shrugs).

> This is an utopia and the definition of utopia is that this is not a problem. What? It's difficult to tell online whether a statement is facetious or not. But I can't see how this makes any sense otherwise.

I gave some examples why this would not be a problem.

One advantage of visions of utopias: they give ideas for a better world and also it shows what-if perspectives: what if we really could catch thieves in a beneficial way and help them? what if there is a business opportunity because there's a need to be fulfilled?

Re: Google search for a local restaurant returns scammer’s ad as top result

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Maybe. But it's easier to say "dial 911" when a country has 911. If India doesn't have something like 911, what is google supposed to recommend? Call 0118 999 881 999 119 725 3!

I don't know, google maps seems to find the phone numbers for places pretty easily. Why is search any different?

They find phone numbers for places if you are specific enough. If you search, phone number for restaurant, you get a list of restaurants. Google isn't employing someone to curate that list.

Actually, if I google "phone number ambulance" in America, I get a bunch of random ambulance companies and not 911.

If I just google "ambulance" I get stuff about the recent movie.

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