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Re: Google stopping coding competitions

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The trick is to slay the dragon and then go home. If you stick around the gold and treasure for too long, that’s when it starts to get dangerous.

Atlassian nailed this. So has Vercel - do one thing perfectly.

>Atlassian

>One thing perfectly

Re: Google stopping coding competitions

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post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The trick is to slay the dragon and then go home. If you stick around the gold and treasure for too long, that’s when it starts to get dangerous.

There's a roguelike cyberpunk game I like to play called Neon Chrome. You play a hacker who can take over the body of an "asset" in a cyberpunk arcology, with the goal of overthrowing the Overseer who rules the arcology. The plot twist being that with the Overseer disposed of, your character takes his place, and the second playthrough features a NEW "hacker" player character who etc. And so the cycle continues. Paral…

This was also the final plot device in the original Diablo game.

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> Most of the people I know who wanted to work at google, and a few that worked at google, now have higher paying, more enjoyable, and more stable jobs elsewhere Honest question (this is really not a challenge), care to share where? I always thought of the FAANGs (collectively) giving the best compensation in the business. Which companies are paying more than Google but with more stability?

This doesn't exactly answer your question but some FAANGS pay better than others, and its related to the "desirability" of the company. Eg. Amazon started beating out Google's pay, since people wanted to work at google, and had to be coheres to working at amazon. I can't answer where pays better than FAANG, but companies in the bay (eg. Uber) are starting to approach the salary. Even smaller no-name bay companies are…

OK, thanks, that pretty much is how I saw it. E.g. I definitely knew some FAANGs pay better than others (have heard from an Amazon recruiter straight up "We never lose people due to compensation"), but haven't heard of other companies paying more (unsurprisingly given the profit margins of the FAANGs).

Thus, I'm going to be a little skeptical when I hear about people taking higher paying jobs with more stability elsewhere.

Re: Google stopping coding competitions

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post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The trick is to slay the dragon and then go home. If you stick around the gold and treasure for too long, that’s when it starts to get dangerous.

Atlassian nailed this. So has Vercel - do one thing perfectly.

What does Atlassian do perfectly? And please don't use the J word.

Re: Google stopping coding competitions

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The Elves are leaving Middle-Earth.

(for those who might miss this reference) https://steveblank.com/2009/12/21/the-elves-leave-middle-ear...

We now have to do a formal expense report for friday drinks in the office.

They've also taken away the company credit card so that all employees must go through the dreaded Finance hurdle to have any fun.

Re: Google stopping coding competitions

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is this a sign that finding developers is not that hard anymore, and they don't need to organize these competitions with the hiring budget?

Or maybe they've laid off the group that was in charge of organizing these competitions? Or will soon?

They did, indeed, lay off the group in charge of organizing these competitions (or at least the Google Code Jam Program Manager).

https://twitter.com/jonathanirvings/status/16220755214872084...

Re: Google stopping coding competitions

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Before jumping on the "Google is now Oracle" bandwagon, curious with anyone with even a little inside baseball knowledge can comment on the reasoning behind this. Because if it's for penny-pinching, "we need to be more efficient" reasons, then yeah, I'm ready to jump on the bandwagon too. But someone else posited it may be more that they want to focus on new skills needed for AI, for example (i.e. "Software 2.0" vs.…

They've found Code Jam to be a pain for a long time now, because the results never align with their ideology. Men (mostly eastern European and Asian) dominate these competitions to such an extent that Google created another Code Jam that excludes them, so women had a chance to win prizes. Also, Code Jam is often won by the same people year on year, look at the leader boards for the previous years.

I mean, things like chess have had women-only tournaments for years, that seems acceptable to me.

Still, I think it's pretty sad that "results don't conform to our ideological results" equates to "it must be a bad metric, let's shut it down!" Hope it's not the same kind of thinking that led to ElectronConf being cancelled a couple years ago for "not having a diverse slate of speakers", despite the fact that all proposals where chosen in a blinded process explicitly set up in a way to eliminate bias: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14480868

Re: Google stopping coding competitions

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post #213
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is this a sign that finding developers is not that hard anymore, and they don't need to organize these competitions with the hiring budget?

Probably more a sign that these competitions don't help with hiring in any substantial way.

I believe they do help, but certainly hiring doesn't seem to be a priority for them at the moment.

It's strange that they decided to discontinue the entire competition instead of just cancelling this year's one, though.

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