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Apple orders entire supply of TSMC's 3nm chips for iPhone 15 Pro and M3 Macs

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Re: Apple orders entire supply of TSMC's 3nm chips for iPhone 15 Pro and M3 Macs

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Post by thefounder »

credit_guy wrote: post #30
thefounder wrote: post #22

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Perhaps more fanless macs. That would be great and make a difference in the user exeprience. Re iphone: I only use mail, safari and chat apps so I doubt I can see any difference.

> I only use mail, safari and chat apps so I doubt I can see any difference. You probably also take photos, where Apple automatically applies some Machine Learning tricks. And wherever Machine Learning is used, more can be used. One day they could put an entire ChatGPT on the iPhone.

>> One day they could put an entire ChatGPT on the iPhone.

That sounds great except I never use siri...(in car commands being the exception).

Re: Apple orders entire supply of TSMC's 3nm chips for iPhone 15 Pro and M3 Macs

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Post by dad_chowder »

eptcyka wrote: post #98
cubefox wrote: post #76

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Didn't the M1 MacBook have the much more basic issue of only supporting a single external monitor via HDMI?

The M1 Pro and M1 Max can have multiple display outputs. The M1, be it in the Macbook Air, Mac Mini or Macbook Pro could only ever have 2 display outputs. On laptops, one of those was permanently reserved for the built in display.

Specifically you need the 14 or 16 inch M1 Pro for multiple display outputs. The M1 Pro 13 inch only supports one external display. Same with the M2 Pro 13 inch.

This is very confusing imo

Re: Apple orders entire supply of TSMC's 3nm chips for iPhone 15 Pro and M3 Macs

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Post by LeanderK »

rcarr wrote: post #177
meindnoch wrote: post #123

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For the first year or so, the experience of using these 3nm machines will be unparalleled. Then after most devs switched to using M3 Macs, app performance will regress back to the baseline, making everything slow on M1/M2 machines, and basically unusable on Intel Macs. Paraphrasing the old saying: "What TSMC giveth, Electron taketh"

The rust community seem to be leading the fightback on this but I think it'll be about 5 years before there's a big switch over. If I owned a popular electron app, I would definitely be thinking about starting to write a Rust version or migrating to Tauri because if you're not then somebody will be. Once that Rust version hits feature parity with your core functionality people will end up jumping ship for the faster,…

I find VSCode to be responsive and snappy and I am on older hardware (Mid 2014 macbook pro). I don't go overboard with thousands of extensions though, but I like the flexibility and use a few "more heavy" extensions like the jupyter extension. I have to say I am very satisfied by my editor and I can not really understand the VSCode hate.

But I only use python and no demanding software like docker.

Re: Apple orders entire supply of TSMC's 3nm chips for iPhone 15 Pro and M3 Macs

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Post by smilespray »

spenvo wrote: post #149

Consider the sourcing here -- Digitimes rumors are notoriously baseless.

Anybody who follows Apple and their relationship with TMSC knows that this scenario is very likely.

Digitimes gets to be the broken clock that's right twice a day.

Re: Apple orders entire supply of TSMC's 3nm chips for iPhone 15 Pro and M3 Macs

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Post by andreigheorghe »

pietroq wrote: post #201
papruapap wrote: post #174

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Can we stop the hyperboling? The amount of multitasking we can do on consumer computers today is nowhere close what is what possible only 10 years ago. About text editors... you can use blazing fast editors if you want like cli-base ones, notepad++ or sublimetext... If devs are not using those to code anymore there may be reasons, right?

Fun fact: Turbo Pascal was 38KB and that included the editor, compiler and debugger. It was lightning fast, compiling 10s of kSLOC in mere seconds on a 4.77MHz single-thread 8088 with 640KB of RAM. Now to build a Hello World full stack web app it can take 10+ minutes on a modern PC with 4GHz 16 core CPU and 64GB of RAM :)

cool story, now try writing a "Hello World full stack web app" in turbo pascal.

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Post by anthomtb »

HarHarVeryFunny wrote: post #206
notjustanymike wrote: post #89

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Interesting article, thanks for that. One of my key takeaways is the iPod represented not one but multiple simultaneous tech revolutions. Consumer storage until then unseen, paired with material and interface design that companies hadn't considered a priority.

I forget the exact timeline, but I think part of it too was music pricing. Physical media (tapes, records) had gotten very expensive, and almost everyone was pirating MP3s from Napster etc. Apple's iTunes prices were low enough that it became simpler just to buy stuff legally than pirate it. I can't recall if iTunes was introduced at exact same time as iPod not not. Google search suggests it may have been 1 or 2 year…

>music pricing.

For sure. My memory of those days is getting hazy, but IIRC CD's from top artists were going for $15-$16 in the late 90's. Maybe $12 if you were lucky. Considering inflation and that you might only want two of the twelve songs on the disk, you could easily be paying $10/song (in 2023 dollars). Big chunk of change especially for a pre-teen or teenager.

Re: Apple orders entire supply of TSMC's 3nm chips for iPhone 15 Pro and M3 Macs

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Post by napolux »

post_break wrote: post #71
napolux wrote: post #2

Considering how failed was the launch of the iPhone 14 Pro (I had to wait for 45 dayss before getting mine) and sales of the "iPhone 14" (which is just an iPhone 13, basically) this is just expected

We're you around for the 6+ and 6s+? Those phones were unobtanium for months and months. The 14 Pro being unavailable for 45 days is nothing. And the 14 not selling because people saw right through apple.

> We're you around for the 6+ and 6s+?

yep, but I bought it late in its lifecycle

Re: Apple orders entire supply of TSMC's 3nm chips for iPhone 15 Pro and M3 Macs

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Post by HarHarVeryFunny »

thunderbird120 wrote: post #203
HarHarVeryFunny wrote: post #64

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Wow - desperation indeed. It's amazing how Intel, who had such process expertise, managed to screw up like this, while TSMC and Samsung have adapted to new generations without any real hiccups.

>TSMC and Samsung have adapted to new generations without any real hiccups Samsung has been having serious issues for years and TSMC is currently having serious issues with N3. Samsung's issues are too complicated and longstanding to go into but TSMC's issues are simpler and more recent. Their base N3 process (now called N3B) is a bit of a dud with apple being essentially the only major customer. The issue is with co…

Interesting - thanks!

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Post by seymourhersh »

coder543 wrote: post #208
seymourhersh wrote: post #207

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As has been said elsewhere - it didn’t beat apple to anything because it was giant, had a poor UI and no meaningful companion software. It was a prototype that wasn’t ready for the market. Nothing more. Comparing the iPod to junk that happens to match on one spec or another tells us nothing.

> As has been said elsewhere Elsewhere... as in the comment that I replied to? Which you then replied to me? I was literally in agreement with the "elsewhere" that you're referring to. Your comments are confusing to me. Storage capacity was not the thing that made iPod successful, even though the anecdote at the top of this thread is trying to make that argument. There were a number of other factors that were more im…

> "Apple" was a much better brand than {someone no one has ever heard of}.

This is of course true, but not relevant.

The personal jukebox was a junk product. Nobody would seriously imagine that the reason it didn’t win against the iPod was the brand.

Now imagine it the other way around - if apple had released the jukebox, and ‘remote solution’ had released the iPod.

Startups with no brand succeed all the time, if they have a great product.

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Post by coder543 »

seymourhersh wrote: post #219
coder543 wrote: post #208

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> As has been said elsewhere Elsewhere... as in the comment that I replied to? Which you then replied to me? I was literally in agreement with the "elsewhere" that you're referring to. Your comments are confusing to me. Storage capacity was not the thing that made iPod successful, even though the anecdote at the top of this thread is trying to make that argument. There were a number of other factors that were more im…

> "Apple" was a much better brand than {someone no one has ever heard of}. This is of course true, but not relevant. The personal jukebox was a junk product. Nobody would seriously imagine that the reason it didn’t win against the iPod was the brand. Now imagine it the other way around - if apple had released the jukebox, and ‘remote solution’ had released the iPod. Startups with no brand succeed all the time, if the…

> Now imagine it the other way around - if apple had released the jukebox, and ‘remote solution’ had released the iPod.

They probably would have both failed, in that case. Apple for delivering a product that wasn't good enough, and Personal Solutions for having no brand recognition and no retail partnerships/network.

> Startups with no brand succeed all the time, if they have a great product.

Launching a physical product back then wasn't as easy as launching a Kickstarter and eventually transitioning to an Amazon listing. Just having a good product didn't mean you knew how to get it into the hands of customers. Things are much easier these days, and even so... lots of good products still fail to reach market for reasons that have nothing to do with the product itself.

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