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Amazon employees push CEO Andy Jassy to drop return-to-office mandate

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Post by wonderwonder »

l33t233372 wrote: post #164
wonderwonder wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've always thought of Amazon as a step into Faang. You get a job there, it pays really well. It sucks. You maybe survive 2 years and leave or don't and get a nice severance. Now you have faang on your resume and can go somewhere else. Never thought of it as a long term type place as you are very much not a person but a line item or even worse a hire to fire.

Isn’t most of FANG/MAMMAA like like that?

Honestly not sure. I'd never thought it was. Always heard google and Netflix were good places to work. This recession appears to potentially be changing that though

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Post by lotsofpulp »

deschutes wrote: post #206

Many made expensive decisions assuming remote work would become the norm. My guess is there is a large overlap between the bristling crowd and expensive decisions crowd. Sure remote work is good for many experienced individual tech workers but bad for basically everyone else including the company and the communities remote workers have moved to. The pro remote arguments reek of motivated reasoning. It is especially h…

>bad for basically everyone else including the company and the communities remote workers have moved to.

Why? Is it better for places with more jobs and money to stay that way instead of spreading the wealth around?

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Post by xboxnolifes »

npalli wrote: post #146

Amazon has over 1.4 Million employees. Looking at this article, 14,000 joined a slack channel to complain. So only about 1% is pushing Andy Jassy about this. Should we assume the remainder (~99%) is OK? If so, this is yet another instance of a small group of people strategically using regular/social media to amplify a minority position which the majority doesn't support.

A collective 1% pushback is pretty big as far as activism goes. It's also way more than 1%, since no where near 1.4 Million of those employees have slack access.

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Post by xboxnolifes »

ptkanchi wrote: post #125

Let me preface this by saying I don't have much of an opinion for or against RTO, but I feel like there's too much emotion attached to companies mandating RTO by tech employees. I'm at a company that is mandating RTO and for the past couple months there has been tons of whining and moaning in public slack channels, team Q&As, company wide Q&As, HR Q&As, being passive aggressive etc. All this behavior has reeked of im…

One reason people complain is because, all else being equal, an RTO call is effectively a pay cut.

If the context was Amazon saying "we're cutting all SDE salaries 10%, because its better for the business", would you consider complaining to be entitlement?

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Post by QIYGT »

twblalock wrote: post #183
whateveracct wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FAANG total comp is higher, but I think I've made way more money/hour off working remotely than I ever would have if I stayed at FAANG [1]. So while I have less total money, I have made the money I made way more efficiently. Which in some ways, makes me richer :) I sometimes have to remind myself that this level of leisure is basically what "traditional retirement" looks like (but with like a quarter-mil/year income…

The commute angle of the remote work argument always seemed weird to me. If you work at a FAANG you can afford to live anywhere, including in places that would give you a short commute to work. I feel sorry for people in the service industry who have hour-long commutes because they can't afford to live closer. But that is not the case for tech workers.

> If you work at a FAANG you can afford to live anywhere, including in places that would give you a short commute to work.

Not necessarily. If you're an E4 with kids, good luck paying $150k a year for a 3br apartment in walking distance of Facebook's NYC office.

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Post by granshaw »

brandon272 wrote: post #54

No one knows what the future holds, but as the dust settles on WFH, I think that FAANG will double down on in-office and use their leverage as desirable large market cap companies with lucrative total comp packages to selectively seek out and retain those who are willing to agree to an in-office or hybrid work environment. They have identified in-person collaboration as a key competitive advantage going forward, want…

> lucrative total comp packages

Yeaaah not sure those are coming back

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Post by msm_ »

tkiolp4 wrote: post #130
benjismith wrote: post #83

I must be one of the very very few software engineers that would prefer to RTO. (I'm not at Amazon, btw). I do enjoy the flexibility of being able to occasionally work from home. But I miss the bustling office culture, going out to lunch with coworkers, forming friendships with people from the office who don't necessarily work in the same department/team. Most days, I go into town and work from a WeWork (because it's…

Some food for thought: seems like the majority prefer to WFH, now think of all the coworkers you were having lunch with, how many of them would prefer to have lunch with you if they were not forced to go to the office? Not many. Don’t get too attached to people from work.

This may be your experience, but I made lots of friends at work, and kept in touch for a long time after leaving. People I first met at work are currently a large fraction of my real-world friends.

I regularly meet with the same people I used to work with before I changed jobs to a remote one. I made zero friends in my new remote work.

It's OK to make friends at work.

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Post by makeitdouble »

benjismith wrote: post #83

I must be one of the very very few software engineers that would prefer to RTO. (I'm not at Amazon, btw). I do enjoy the flexibility of being able to occasionally work from home. But I miss the bustling office culture, going out to lunch with coworkers, forming friendships with people from the office who don't necessarily work in the same department/team. Most days, I go into town and work from a WeWork (because it's…

For a lot of employees, RTO is not a matter of preference but wether they can get away with not being at home.

I think many of the full WFH people might actually have enjoyed offices very much, but given a choice it just doesn't make sense.

If your choices is between chatting with your colleagues and enjoying low latency communication vs supporting your spouse and family in their everyday life, even if you personally enjoyed the former, it's tough to throw away the latter.

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Post by msm_ »

clpm4j wrote: post #101
benjismith wrote: post #83

I must be one of the very very few software engineers that would prefer to RTO. (I'm not at Amazon, btw). I do enjoy the flexibility of being able to occasionally work from home. But I miss the bustling office culture, going out to lunch with coworkers, forming friendships with people from the office who don't necessarily work in the same department/team. Most days, I go into town and work from a WeWork (because it's…

Do you mind me asking if you're under 30yrs old?

Not OP, but I'm under 30 years old and I agree with OP 100%.

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Post by clpm4j »

mikhael28 wrote: post #193
clpm4j wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you mind me asking if you're under 30yrs old?

Do you mind me asking you if you are anti-social?

I don't mind, and the answer is 'no' - I am quite social on a regular basis. I was asking the OP out of genuine curiosity.
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