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Tesla recalls 360k vehicles, says full self-driving beta may cause crashes

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Re: Tesla recalls 360k vehicles, says full self-driving beta may cause crashes

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I'm astonished consumers are still paying fifteen thousand dollars to be guinea pigs for this bullshit. No car that currently has tires on the road is going to let you fall asleep in your driveway and wake up at work.

If this comment were aimed at any other company it would be flagged and dead as flamebait.

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I have a Model 3, and was excited to get the FSD beta access about a month ago. I don't use it super regularly, but it's neat.

This morning I tried to turn it on, and the car immediately veered left into the oncoming lane on a straight, 2 lane road. Fortunately, there were no other vehicles nearby.

I immediately turned it off in the settings, and have no intention of re-enabling.

Re: Tesla recalls 360k vehicles, says full self-driving beta may cause crashes

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That's 4-5B USD worth of fraud. This thing could actually be quite dangerous for TSLA. One class-action lawsuit around this and they're bankrupt. Edit: Dang, you're all right, they could eat this and still be alive. My whole sentiment comes from FSD being their big shot (and everything that comes with that, like the robotaxis and whatnot). Without FSD, they're "just another car company" and the market is already thri…

What would happen to the other ~15B they have in the bank?

There's many people that still have the perception that Tesla is a small fish waiting to get gobbled up by legacy automakers. But every year that becomes further from the truth. A company with $80 billion revenue and 100,000+ employees is not dying from a single lawsuit.

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I love that this is the same guy who wants to send people to Mars one-way and then figure out the return trip later.

You'd be surprised how many people want a one-way ticket to Mars. I think Elon can make good money from that alone.

Isn’t Antarctica just Mars-lite? Do you think a mere treaty is hampering settlement there? That’s where my mind goes when people talk about colonizing another planet.

Re: Tesla recalls 360k vehicles, says full self-driving beta may cause crashes

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I love that this is the same guy who wants to send people to Mars one-way and then figure out the return trip later.

I don't think the one-way thing is real. SpaceX wants to re-use their vehicles. It wouldn't make sense to leave spacecraft on Mars.

Re: Tesla recalls 360k vehicles, says full self-driving beta may cause crashes

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? It involves a safety system! That needs to be tracked publicly and updated! Nothing more than an OTA - does not mean much when everything is fly by wire and a bug could mean your car does not stop accelerating or something.

Recall implies something being returned. This should be called a mandatory software patch, or something like that. The problem is Tesla owners repeatedly see "recall" to mean "software update", so this might lead to a lot of confusion if a physical recall is actually required in the future.

I agree. It’s like crying wolf, eventually you start ignoring it

Re: Tesla recalls 360k vehicles, says full self-driving beta may cause crashes

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Thanks to the Tesla owners on the front lines risking their lives for the greater good (of Tesla)! Jokes aside, it's gotta be damn tough to QA a system like this in any sort of way that resembles full coverage. Can't even really define what full test coverage means.

If it just were only Tesla owners.

A autonomous Tesla driving into a group of people or swerving into oncoming traffic is potentially killing other people.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? It involves a safety system! That needs to be tracked publicly and updated! Nothing more than an OTA - does not mean much when everything is fly by wire and a bug could mean your car does not stop accelerating or something.

Recall implies something being returned. This should be called a mandatory software patch, or something like that. The problem is Tesla owners repeatedly see "recall" to mean "software update", so this might lead to a lot of confusion if a physical recall is actually required in the future.

This is most likely a legislative issue with NHTSA, I don't think they have a mechanism by which they can enforce a software update since the concept didn't exist when recalls were first implemented.

Re: Tesla recalls 360k vehicles, says full self-driving beta may cause crashes

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I have a Model 3, and was excited to get the FSD beta access about a month ago. I don't use it super regularly, but it's neat. This morning I tried to turn it on, and the car immediately veered left into the oncoming lane on a straight, 2 lane road. Fortunately, there were no other vehicles nearby. I immediately turned it off in the settings, and have no intention of re-enabling.

Are you planning to join a class action lawsuit so you can get your money back?

Re: Tesla recalls 360k vehicles, says full self-driving beta may cause crashes

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's the thing about neural networks: any QA is going to be superficial due to their statistical black box nature.

What? Black box testing has plenty of techniques: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black-box_testing Whether it's a neural network inside or not is completely irrelevant. That's why it's called "black box".

This seems to ignore that if you look inside the box at code you could understand it whereas looking at the activation values is unlikely to illuminate.
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