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Post by throwaway290 »

newswasboring wrote: post #159
ebjaas_2022 wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's the nature of most types of volunteering work. If you sign up to be the conductor of your local choir, you have the same thing. People start expecting you to do stuff. If you're going to be in that role, as ploxiln says, you need to be OK with that part of it. You have to be OK with the thanklessness of the task, and you have to seek your rewards elsewhere. Still, I feel very sorry for zloirock, and I hope that…

> You have to be OK with the thanklessness of the task, and you have to seek your rewards elsewhere. Is this really how we want the world to be? Someone who is trying to help needs to be ok with being treated badly? I can understand not being put on a pedestal, but I think a "thank you" and a bit of gratefulness is warranted by people actively being helped.

The best way to do open source work is to consult or be employed and release open source stuff as part of your work. Otherwise it turns into politics, competition for money and popularity contest rather than product of passion. If you are as proficient as this guy you will find employers that do not mind open source work

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Post by 101008 »

slowmotiony wrote: post #197
newswasboring wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While your argument is kinda bad, its also incorrect. They moved to russia before the current war. Also its their home country, the world isn't progressive enough that this isn't every immigrant's default choice.

Right, but it was after the invasion of Georgia, green men in Donetsk, and the annexation of Crimea? So 3 wars started in the span of 10 years and the guy returns because things are cheaper than in the west. Well, I hope he enjoys his beloved home country now. He will have to stay there for quite a while. Edit* looks like he does indeed enjoy it. Good for him. https://twitter.com/roman01la/status/1625254253156528147/…

Where do you live? I am sure we will find a moral reason to suggest that if you do not leave your country you are a bad person.

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Post by prettyStandard »

maccard wrote: post #195
kilburn wrote: post #131

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You have to ask to the appropriate forum though, and that's what he got completely wrong. Getting npm to scream for help when a developer installs your package is equivalent to asking your peer for a raise. I'd say that over 99.999% of the people who saw that message, created memes about it, etc.. did not have a corporate credit card and the power to use it at their discretion. If you want money from corps, THOSE are…

> I'd say that over 99.999% of the people who saw that message, created memes about it, etc.. did not have a corporate credit card and the power to use it at their discretion. If you want money from corps, THOSE are the guys you need to find and ask money from. So he should be cold emailing netflix, airbnb, linkedin purchasing managers?

Maybe yeah. I'm not sure how relicensing works. But you might

1. relicense it for paid commercial use, and communicate that, I imagine you would go through a version change.

2. Save some important features/bugs for the license change

3. Email politely explaining, they are breaking the license.

4. Come to terms on price. So long as we detect you are using core-js on your Top 10000 site, please pay $$ per year.

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Post by throwaway_37365 »

sgammon wrote: post #173
SergeAx wrote: post #69

I do understand that not a lot of people here really understand the sheer direness of his situation. He stuck in Russia because of unsettled problems regarding his conviction. He almost certainly cannot immigrate into most of the countries because of said conviction - to have a work permit one have to provide a certificate of good conduct. He is cut off most options to receive money from abroad and several means to r…

i believe it only takes a national ID to cross the border into Armenia, where there is a flourishing Russian expat community full of IT experts but sure

He wouldn't pass customs check at the border, due to standing debts and/or after-sentence probation. You can only enter Armenia with national ID if you travel by flight - but the boarding will be denied for the same reason. Travel passport is probably frozen as well. The only country he can go to is Belarus - there is no border control. But to travel from Belarus he would be required to pass the same customs check. Moreover, travelling to Belarus would be a violation of probation terms.

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Post by throwaway290 »

sally_glance wrote: post #76
btown wrote: post #67

From this article, Denis Pushkarev seems to be a remarkably principled developer in a horrible situation, and I admire his commitment to this project. Setting that aside, though, is anyone else alarmed that such a widely used project has exactly one maintainer who is able to push arbitrary changes without review? Especially one already in legal trouble and significant debt, unable to travel, for a project embedded in…

Well. There is little doubt that he would be a good fit for at least a normal Engineer position in any of these companies. If they didn't hire him yet your guess as of why is as good as mine. Edit: This was not meant to be read in a negative kind of way. I'd try to hire him if I had an open position to fit.

Edited my comment since I saw this:

> Now I cannot leave Russia, because after the accident I have outstanding lawsuits in the amount of tens of thousands of dollars and I am forbidden to leave the country until they are paid off.

Interesting. I know a person who somehow emigrated from Russia last year with some debt and is paying it off. But perhaps there is some other condition I don't know about.

But anyway it would be more difficult to emigrate to another country long term with a criminal record, they always ask about it on visa applications. If I was more cynical I would think an evil government could use the carrot of forgiving his lawsuits in exchange for pushing some backdoors but I don't think this would go unnoticed

Very unfortunate situation to be in, though my sincere hate for reckless russian drivers I have seen a lot in my life makes it a bit difficult to sympathize.

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Post by danjac »

__m wrote: post #135
green_on_black wrote: post #21

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The guy literally went to prison when he didn't have to. Holy shit.

At least that's how he frames it

Russia does not have a "justice system" in the way that we would understand it in the West. Instead it has (and indeed, always had) a system of patronage and bribery, where your status within the system determines your sentence. If you are an oligarch, or the son of an oligarch, you will walk free, unless you cross Putin. If you are a nobody, you pay off the right people or you go to prison or end up freezing to death in a foxhole in the Donbass (Wagner recruits directly from prison, just as Stalin emptied the gulags for his cannon-fodder in WWII).

That's just how Russia is and always has been, and unfortunately, very likely always will be.

Is Denis guilty? Perhaps, but he will not have had a fair trial by any Western standard, and so we have to presume innocence.

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Post by azangru »

slowmotiony wrote: post #167
armini wrote: post #121

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Maintainers like Denis shouldn't be asking for donations, they should be sponsored the same way Nike sponsors athletes. If you're a burnt out open source maintainer or know someone who is, I'd love to talk to you. My job is to help create awareness about the issue with companies that depend on your package. I reached out to Denis because we all know he deserves better. Appreciate any leads you could additionally shar…

I don't know, I don't think Nike will sponsor athletes who, despite the war, returned to Russia solely due to better financial prospects.

Nike (or a more appropriate entity) wouldn't be able to sponsor him even if it wanted to, given how the ties with the Russian banks have now been severed. Another case for bitcoin, I guess?

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Post by smashah »

We should call people who moan about license choices and donation messages in postinstall scripts what they are: leeches.

If you take time out of your day to complain about an OSS project and spread negativity you're literally a detriment to the wider ecosystem. That includes purity testing.

I hope zloirock does what is good for him going forward.

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Post by slowmotiony »

101008 wrote: post #212
slowmotiony wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right, but it was after the invasion of Georgia, green men in Donetsk, and the annexation of Crimea? So 3 wars started in the span of 10 years and the guy returns because things are cheaper than in the west. Well, I hope he enjoys his beloved home country now. He will have to stay there for quite a while. Edit* looks like he does indeed enjoy it. Good for him. https://twitter.com/roman01la/status/1625254253156528147/…

Where do you live? I am sure we will find a moral reason to suggest that if you do not leave your country you are a bad person.

Ukraine. I can't leave, another country invaded mine unprovoked and they are killing my people so I kinda have to stay. I am looking forward to your argument why this makes me a bad person.

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Post by asddubs »

fragmede wrote: post #49
akudha wrote: post #26

In one of my previous jobs, my CTO asked me who I thought was the most important person in the company was. I wasn’t sure. He pointed to the lady who was responsible for entering and maintaining data, on which the entire business was built upon. She was a quiet person, who did her job exceptionally well. Yet, most people didn’t know her or didn’t realize her importance. I am certain she wasn’t paid that well either.…

What I'm really struggling with is how much this contrasts with the story for the developers of Dwarf Fortress, who don't get that same hate and vitro piled on them, and in fact, people throw money at them because they want the developers to have money. To the tune of like $9 million or something! Whereas this guy, pouring his heart into something useful and not for fun, gets all this hate shoveled his way? I really…

people get emotional attachments to games, no one cares about infrastructure
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