Has anyone at an unprofitable company ever been told that they "were NOT on a trajectory to profitability"??? I feel like that the statement that you are on a path to breakeven, means absolutely nothing. And that you should ALWAYS consider yourself to be in a high risk situation if your company is losing money.
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#212Earlier quoted context omitted.
The CEO answers to the board, and the board is usually of the type to at least ask the question "Everyone is jumping off a bridge, why aren't we?" And sadly the easiest answer is "we ARE jumping off the bridge, see?"
Interesting that everyone is so certain that we're jumping off a bridge now with layoffs, instead of that we jumped off a bridge before with the hiring spree based on Covid-stimulus.
I think it has more to do with cheap money not being cheap anymore.
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#213Not surprising. Every company is going to take the opportunity to trim costs when it doesn't affect their PR as much as it would any other time.
You don't cut costs if they aren't costs.
If you hired employees to do something and they're making you money hand over fist, you don't fire them. They're not an expense. They're a profit center.
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#214Earlier quoted context omitted.
Interesting that everyone is so certain that we're jumping off a bridge now with layoffs, instead of that we jumped off a bridge before with the hiring spree based on Covid-stimulus.
I don't think that a covid-related hiring spree should have affected a company like Confluent. Yeah there were probably many product companies that got more money due to Covid that wanted a managed Kafka solution, but Covid also took down other kind of companies who might have been Confluent's customers. I think it has more to do with cheap money not being cheap anymore.
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#215I really get the feeling that many companies are just blindly doing whatever other companies do. One starts large layoffs, and suddenly everybody is doing it. At other times, when one goes on a hiring spree, they all go. One tries to reduce salaries, they all do. One pays enormous bonuses, and they all do. It's like CEOs aren't really thinking for themselves, just copying whatever the market does.
Alternatively, we are in a unique window where cutting underperforming projects whole-cloth can be done with almost no signaling risk (had this happened in 2021, people would assume the worst), so CEO's are cutting everything they don't like now, assuming they won't be able to do it as easily later.
Re: Tell HN: Confluent laying off 8% of staff
#216I really get the feeling that many companies are just blindly doing whatever other companies do. One starts large layoffs, and suddenly everybody is doing it. At other times, when one goes on a hiring spree, they all go. One tries to reduce salaries, they all do. One pays enormous bonuses, and they all do. It's like CEOs aren't really thinking for themselves, just copying whatever the market does.
Apple stands out as the contrarian that didn't panic hire. They will probably come out ahead at the end of all this as their reward.
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#217Earlier quoted context omitted.
Interesting that everyone is so certain that we're jumping off a bridge now with layoffs, instead of that we jumped off a bridge before with the hiring spree based on Covid-stimulus.
I don't think that a covid-related hiring spree should have affected a company like Confluent. Yeah there were probably many product companies that got more money due to Covid that wanted a managed Kafka solution, but Covid also took down other kind of companies who might have been Confluent's customers. I think it has more to do with cheap money not being cheap anymore.
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#218Oh my sweet summer child.... As someone who lived through the .COM crash and implosion and then 2008, any company with "strong cash reserves" and "trajectory to profitability" is not making more money than they are spending. They are, to use the SV term - losing runway. This is catastrophic because it's infeasible to raise money right now to extend the runway. If the plane is not airborne (making significantly more m…
So I work for a company with "strong cash reserves" and "trajectory to profitability", and I was a child in 2008. We haven't done any layoffs yet, but it's definitely possible. Any advice for someone in my position with no recession experience?
Also most importantly don't read the news. I had just started working in 2008 and honestly didn't really pay attention to the recession and luckily it never affected me materially or mentally.
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#219Earlier quoted context omitted.
"The reality" is jobs = people. We don't live in a vacuum. It's seriously not that hard either. Between the hundreds of thousands of regular people losing their livelihoods and some investors losing money ("don't invest what you can't afford to lose" something something), doesn't sound too complicated for me. Humanity is not opaque unless you make it so, like this particular system does. It's just people.
if you don't have money to pay employees then they're out of a job, and if you don't grow you don't get investors and don't hire people please explain how "humanity" solves this
Re: Tell HN: Confluent laying off 8% of staff
#220Earlier quoted context omitted.
"The reality" is jobs = people. We don't live in a vacuum. It's seriously not that hard either. Between the hundreds of thousands of regular people losing their livelihoods and some investors losing money ("don't invest what you can't afford to lose" something something), doesn't sound too complicated for me. Humanity is not opaque unless you make it so, like this particular system does. It's just people.
if you don't have money to pay employees then they're out of a job, and if you don't grow you don't get investors and don't hire people please explain how "humanity" solves this