Earlier quoted context omitted.
If it crosses international borders (probably) the FBI is stopped. Actually the amounts cited are well below the FBI's interest threshold in any case.
>If it crosses international borders (probably) the FBI is stopped. May you share a source for where you heard this information?
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#212I'm glad your issues were sorted, but I'm uncomfortable with the idea that you need to make a social media post to get a customer service issue resolved. This isn't just stripe. I see this with many other companies on social media. I don't post on Twitter, and I'd rather not put my account details for some service I use in a public forum. It's starting to seem like for too many companies, resolving public complaints…
After 5 days of trying to get my bank account at Revolut unblocked so I could pay my rent with the cash locked up in it, having chatted with maybe 5 representatives, waited for hours each time (their only official contact channel was in-app chat and you had to wait hours for a response), got told "since you are not replying I'm closing this chat" a couple of times in the middle of the night while I was asleep having…
Re: Update: Stripe is holding over $400k of mine with no explanation [resolved]
#213Earlier quoted context omitted.
Hmm. No, but at least now I can understand the perspective you seem to be speaking from, which partially explains the disconnect between how we perceive the world. You seem to think I talk about 'hardware support', whereas I am talking something T-Mobile is taking money for ( and that includes.. you know, connecting my call to people I call, routing text messages and data where they belong and respond to appropriate…
> From your perspective, should all customer inquiries be outsourced to social media to save businesses some dough? "Should" requires applying emotion and you cannot participate in a good faith discussion if you bring in emotions. All we can discuss is what is. If what you are trying to ask is: "Do some businesses only accept inquiries by social media?" I don't know for sure, but expect it happens. I know for certain…
As a result, I took your advice and took myself away from the keyboard for a little while.
As I considered other things, I realized that you are still not correct despite being instinctively right about the business in general ( it goes where the money is ). You used the example of telegraph and I realized that what is wrong with the argument. Papyrus is older than telegraph and yet it is still used to deliver important messages ( like, say, warrants, summons, complaints ) suggesting it is not a question of age, but of utility. I posit that phone is in the same category as paper, because despite existence of email, telegram, signal, video chats, it has replaced telegraph, but nothing replaced phone yet in terms of barebones connectivity standard(s) that can be used across the globe. Unless we consider mobile phones a different animal, which would not be an unreasonable argument to make.
At end the end of the day, if I need to make a call to the old country and various apps don't work for one reason or another ( not everyone uses - or even can or wants to use - w/e app you use or maybe version is off or multiple other reasons ), calling is the way to go.
I might accept calling is not default, but calling it a fringe might be mischaracterizing things a tad bit ( unless you have some evidence to prove, calls are indeed a fringe channel ).
Re: Update: Stripe is holding over $400k of mine with no explanation [resolved]
#214Earlier quoted context omitted.
If it crosses international borders (probably) the FBI is stopped. Actually the amounts cited are well below the FBI's interest threshold in any case.
>If it crosses international borders (probably) the FBI is stopped. May you share a source for where you heard this information?
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#215Earlier quoted context omitted.
> From your perspective, should all customer inquiries be outsourced to social media to save businesses some dough? "Should" requires applying emotion and you cannot participate in a good faith discussion if you bring in emotions. All we can discuss is what is. If what you are trying to ask is: "Do some businesses only accept inquiries by social media?" I don't know for sure, but expect it happens. I know for certain…
You are wrong about "should", because the word can and does describe non-emotional states ( not everything is deterministic and requires approximator like should ), but your point about good faith discussion is well taken. In fact, I think I should apologize here. There was no rational reason to be bent out of shape over this. Your argument is solid on the surface assuming what you write is taken at face value. As a…
Questions of "how should a company behave?" can only be answered by one's feelings, and feelings require emotions to be formed. There are no rules of business encoded into the universe. Business itself is merely a human construct.
> At end the end of the day, if I need to make a call to the old country and various apps don't work for one reason or another
The modern phone system is built on apps, so if apps are not working for one reason or another the app you call a phone isn't going to work anyway. Long gone are the days of an operator physically connecting copper wires between two locations. The phone system you seem to be imagining no longer exists outside of museums.
> Papyrus is older than telegraph and yet it is still used to deliver important messages
And like I said in another comment, if you used papyrus to request support from your telecom operator, I expect you would receive even worse support than by phone. It's not where they are going to focus their energy because papyrus isn't where the community of customers live. I imagine they would put in some effort to accommodate you, but with only so much time in the day it will pale in comparison to where they put their focus.
> unless you have some evidence to prove, calls are indeed a fringe channel
Like I said, it depends on the business. The phone is unquestionably the primary channel of communication for some businesses when the community of customers primarily live by phone. Other businesses, particularly those close to government, do rely on papyrus as their primary channel of communication. And other businesses see physical presence as their primary channel. Going back to the restaurant, you're going to receive better service walking in the door than you will by phone. No doubt there will be a best effort to provide good service over the phone as well, but the customer who walks in the door is going to get the "A team".
The business of which we speak here is mostly in the business of connecting one's pocket computer to social media, so social media is quite expectedly where the community primarily lives. That doesn't mean they won't put a best effort into other communication channels, but if you want the "A team", you will reasonably go where the people are. Same as with every business.
Re: Update: Stripe is holding over $400k of mine with no explanation [resolved]
#216Earlier quoted context omitted.
You are wrong about "should", because the word can and does describe non-emotional states ( not everything is deterministic and requires approximator like should ), but your point about good faith discussion is well taken. In fact, I think I should apologize here. There was no rational reason to be bent out of shape over this. Your argument is solid on the surface assuming what you write is taken at face value. As a…
> You are wrong about "should", because the word can and does describe non-emotional states Questions of "how should a company behave?" can only be answered by one's feelings, and feelings require emotions to be formed. There are no rules of business encoded into the universe. Business itself is merely a human construct. > At end the end of the day, if I need to make a call to the old country and various apps don't w…
If that is the case, then everything is emotional. If everything is emotional, in practical sense, designation of 'emotional' does not carry using informational value. It is like calling everything racist.
> The modern phone system is built on apps, so if apps are not working for one reason or another the app you call a phone isn't going to work anyway. Long gone are the days of an operator physically connecting copper wires between two locations. The phone system you seem to be imagining no longer exists outside of museums.
I would welcome some schooling on the matter. Do you have some additional insight/resources that could substantiate your claim? I do not exactly doubt you, but, just like with the underpinnings of US airlines, part of me sincerely doubts telecoms moved to, say, react framework to connect phonecalls. I might be wrong, but I would like some additional evidence of that.
I am not sure if you ever sent a complaint letter to a bank or similar regulated institution. I won't go into too many details, but, if anything, written letter gets a much closer scrutiny. It may be slower, but it does get results ( edit: speaking from experience ).
I am willing to accept it as an argument.
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#217Earlier quoted context omitted.
>If it crosses international borders (probably) the FBI is stopped. May you share a source for where you heard this information?
FBI has relationships with certain countries. Criminals prefer to use countries they don't. For reasons.
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#218Earlier quoted context omitted.
FBI has relationships with certain countries. Criminals prefer to use countries they don't. For reasons.
Only 4 countries (Micronesia, North Korea, Palau and Tuvalu) are not participants in INTERPOL, and criminal organizations generally don't operate out of them...
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#219Earlier quoted context omitted.
> You are wrong about "should", because the word can and does describe non-emotional states Questions of "how should a company behave?" can only be answered by one's feelings, and feelings require emotions to be formed. There are no rules of business encoded into the universe. Business itself is merely a human construct. > At end the end of the day, if I need to make a call to the old country and various apps don't w…
> Questions of "how should a company behave?" can only be answered by one's feelings, and feelings require emotions to be formed. There are no rules of business encoded into the universe. Business itself is merely a human construct." If that is the case, then everything is emotional. If everything is emotional, in practical sense, designation of 'emotional' does not carry using informational value. It is like calling…
For all practical purposes the state of the world is encoded into the universe. Relaying that state does not require emotion to carry into the message. If I exclaim 1+1=2, what emotion can you extract from that? The motivation for suggesting that 1+1=2 requires emotion to be present internally, but those emotions do not leak into the information presented.
> Do you have some additional insight/resources that could substantiate your claim?
I guess? https://www.history.com/news/rise-fall-telephone-switchboard...
I'm not sure what you're looking for, exactly.
> part of me sincerely doubts telecoms moved to, say, react framework to connect phonecalls.
If you use the phone app on your pocket computer, it very well could be using the React (React Native) framework. In the real world more likely it uses the OS's native APIs directly, but indeed React Native is just a thin layer above that anyway so the distinction is flimsy.
But yes, modern switching is also done in software. The phone is just another service that rides on the same network as all of these other services that we're talking about. Ultimately, what's really so different between Twitter and a phone call other than the exact bit arrangement that goes down the wire?
> I am not sure if you ever sent a complaint letter to a bank or similar regulated institution.
We are talking about support, not complaint. Those are very different letters.
> but, if anything, written letter gets a much closer scrutiny.
Particularly when the government is involved, no question. We already established earlier that the community that is government tends to live by paper. Once again, the "A team" lives where the people are. Even if Twitter is the best place for support, if you sent a complaint by Twitter it would be more likely be ignored because that's not where the regulators live. Like the recurring theme continues to tell, the most effort is put into where the people are...
Re: Update: Stripe is holding over $400k of mine with no explanation [resolved]
#220Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Questions of "how should a company behave?" can only be answered by one's feelings, and feelings require emotions to be formed. There are no rules of business encoded into the universe. Business itself is merely a human construct." If that is the case, then everything is emotional. If everything is emotional, in practical sense, designation of 'emotional' does not carry using informational value. It is like calling…
> If that is the case, then everything is emotional. For all practical purposes the state of the world is encoded into the universe. Relaying that state does not require emotion to carry into the message. If I exclaim 1+1=2, what emotion can you extract from that? The motivation for suggesting that 1+1=2 requires emotion to be present internally, but those emotions do not leak into the information presented. > Do you…
Are you suggesting I should sent a complaint about the support to TMobile to get it in line with my expectations? That I can do.
I will need to sleep on that. Something feels off about the argument, but I can't put a finger on it.
If it is all just 'pipes' and phones and Twitter is in the same category, then the difference is that it is a different company. That is more of a reason for customer to not be happy over contracting with company A, but being directed to unrelated company B for actual service.