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Re: NY Sabotages Right to Repair Bill [video]

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Post by pixelfarmer » Sat, Dec 31, 2022, 1:55 PM UTC

TylerE wrote: post #173

pixelfarmer wrote: post #90

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No, I would remove the exception and put up even heftier fines (i.e. costs more than the (partial) refunding) for safety violations. There should be structures and procedures for that in place already and you avoid creating even more bureacraziness with all the problems that brings.

That just incentivizes better lying, not better safety. These rules have been written in blood many times over.

You mean better lying than they already do by reclassifying everything as a "safety issue" to avoid paying out customers because they skipped on a lot of things already to increase "shareholder value" or other such garbage?

I just hope they don't drain additional time & people to check into each of these "safety issues" now, thinning out the crowd who will also check into actual incidents ...

Re: NY Sabotages Right to Repair Bill [video]

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Post by nequo » Sat, Dec 31, 2022, 1:57 PM UTC

jbsss wrote: post #65

rychco wrote: post #61

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I think in this case it's fair to assume all the donors here are against right to repair.

That’s a bad assumption. The “DIGITAL RIGHT TO REPAIR COALITION” and “ AGRIBUSINESS ASSOCIATION (NYS)“ were on that list. I’d find it hard to believe they were involved with neutering this bill. I would still agree with you though, most of the orgs on that list were likely at the table attempting to ruin the bill.

Spectacular. Doing government as if it was a Sotheby’s auction. The law goes to the highest bidder.

Re: NY Sabotages Right to Repair Bill [video]

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Post by ct0 » Sat, Dec 31, 2022, 1:58 PM UTC

sandworm101 wrote: post #202

noisy_boy wrote: post #192

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> Lo and behold, the airlines have started classifying almost every delay and cancellation as a safety issue Then the regulators should be asking why there are so many safety issues? Seems like by the airlines' own admission, this is a perfect ground for a full investigation and penalties in case the issues are found to be misclassified under the category of safety.

They only care about safety issues during flight. Flights that dont happen are not a "flight safety" issue. The safest trip is always the one that doesnt try to leave the ground.

Is it a trip if it doesn't leave the ground?

Re: NY Sabotages Right to Repair Bill [video]

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Post by college_physics » Sat, Dec 31, 2022, 1:58 PM UTC

butlerm wrote: post #197

college_physics wrote: post #96

Every such event reminds me of that celebrated fraud of an academic who argued that corporations exist to maximize profit within the applicable legal framework and that it is how things should be. The fact that corporate entities actively shape the legal framework to suit narrow interests that frequently undermine collective welfware somehow escaped him. When intellectual dishonesty and amoral behavior reach such sys…

There are many types of corporations beyond those organized for profit. Non-profit corporations typically have different governance structures. Both types are restricted to pursue the aims and purposes described in their articles of incorporation. Labor unions are a good example of a non-profit corporation for example, as are credit unions, and most charitable organizations. Friedman's point is not so easily dispense…

> That is not an excuse for a corporation to rape and pillage the countryside, break any law, or behave in an objectively unethical manner.

The problem is that the laws that are relevant in this context are far from a static body. They are in constant flux as new behaviors, new knowledge and new technologies are adopted. This necessitates continous new rule making and new regulations that must be fit-for-purpose.

Shareholder profit maximization under current systems means it is rational (and a very profitable project) to proactively capture the political system. There is no meaningful penalty and eliminating the downside or creating more upside is enormously valuable (in monetary terms).

Instead of rule takers that must optimize profit within their designated sandbox, giant private entities become the unchallenged rule makers. This is not intrinsically and automatically evil. It becomes so whenever the monetary profit of a narrow set is grossly misaligned with the welfare of broader segments of society.

Examples abound. As they keep piling up they undermine the legitimacy of the very system. Killing the golden goose of a well governed market democracy and opening the door for uglier versions of society.

Re: NY Sabotages Right to Repair Bill [video]

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Post by thetopher » Sat, Dec 31, 2022, 1:59 PM UTC

I just can’t watch Rossmann’s videos anymore. He’s a smart guy with important things to say, but it’s hard to take him seriously. His videos are 90% hyperbole, cynicism, and snide remarks. It’s too much to put up with to figure out what he’s really trying to say. I have to wonder if this style appeals to his audience, or if he’d be more effective without it.

Re: NY Sabotages Right to Repair Bill [video]

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Post by themitigating » Sat, Dec 31, 2022, 1:59 PM UTC

denton-scratch wrote: post #176

themitigating wrote: post #163

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We often have to vote for the lesser of two evils.

Not really; I refuse to vote for evil politicians (it keeps my karma nice and shiny). Unless voting is mandatory, you can simply not vote for anyone. My practice is to vote for someone that won't win, like the Greens, but for whom my vote might save them their deposit.

Not voting is voting you taking away a vote from one side.

Re: NY Sabotages Right to Repair Bill [video]

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Post by pixelfarmer » Sat, Dec 31, 2022, 2:04 PM UTC

Zuiii wrote: post #81

jonahx wrote: post #73

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All problems in computer science can be solved by another level of indirection, except for the problem of too many layers of indirection.

The idea of having multiple layers is to make foul play more difficult to cover up; i.e the chances of someone screwing up grows exponentially with every person you add.

That assumes that every person you add has the ability to understand all the details plus is actually willing to do their best to find any remaining issues. Somehow this doesn't match up with my real world experience. It also assumes that convoluted rules will hinder larger companies from exploiting the rules, which is actually the other way around: The larger they are, the better they get at finding loopholes and using them for their own gains. Plus you make it increasingly more difficult to see where your regulatory body has been compromised.

Humans don't work like tech, so adding more and more layers doesn't help really, and I haven't found any organizational form which can inherently prevent humans from being human, it just doesn't exist. For example, all the "paperwork" around safety only works if humans are actually interested in maximizing safety and not just filling out papers.

Re: NY Sabotages Right to Repair Bill [video]

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Post by hericium » Sat, Dec 31, 2022, 2:05 PM UTC

themitigating wrote: post #169

hericium wrote: post #161

Whenever I read about NY mayors or governors, it's like they are trying to be Gotham.

You didn't mention the ny legislator which must vote and pass a bill before it goes to the governor, why? Also mayors weren't involved in this discussion.

I wasn't referring to this particular case. Mentioned what I read in the past about (city) mayors and (state) governors and how to me - an outsider from the EU - it's these people who make New York similar to Gotham City.

Short answer: because I don't read about them.

Re: NY Sabotages Right to Repair Bill [video]

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Post by vinaypai » Sat, Dec 31, 2022, 2:06 PM UTC

causi wrote: post #68

smnrchrds wrote: post #44

I believe the analysis. Here in Canada, the government passed a law not that long ago (during the pandemic) to enshrine rights of passengers for delayed and cancelled flights, which included right to specific amounts of monetary compensation in those scenarios. The law, however, had an exception, where no compensation is due if the flight is delayed or cancelled due to a safety issue. Lo and behold, the airlines have…

The law, however, had an exception, where no compensation is due if the flight is delayed or cancelled due to a safety issue. This makes no sense at all. If I order a pizza and it doesn't show up the reason it doesn't show up is completely irrelevant; they still owe me my money back.

This isn't about refunds for the fare paid. This is about the ADDITIONAL $1000 compensation that airlines owe for last minute cancellation.

Re: NY Sabotages Right to Repair Bill [video]

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Post by SECProto » Sat, Dec 31, 2022, 2:08 PM UTC

causi wrote: post #68

smnrchrds wrote: post #44

I believe the analysis. Here in Canada, the government passed a law not that long ago (during the pandemic) to enshrine rights of passengers for delayed and cancelled flights, which included right to specific amounts of monetary compensation in those scenarios. The law, however, had an exception, where no compensation is due if the flight is delayed or cancelled due to a safety issue. Lo and behold, the airlines have…

The law, however, had an exception, where no compensation is due if the flight is delayed or cancelled due to a safety issue. This makes no sense at all. If I order a pizza and it doesn't show up the reason it doesn't show up is completely irrelevant; they still owe me my money back.

The above comment wasnt complete. The airline must still provide either a refund or alternate travel arrangements (regardless of if a delay is within their control or not). There is additional monetary compensation required if the flight is delayed by more than a certain number of hours (but only if it is within the airline's control)

I've made about $1400 from delayed flights in the last 3 years