Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer

Post by analog31 » Tue, Dec 20, 2022, 6:53 PM UTC

dragonwriter wrote: post #34

analog31 wrote: post #28

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It's a corporation, which blurs the notion of what it means to be "private." To assert its rights as a private entity, the venue could restructure itself as a Sole Proprietorship or Partnership.

> It’s a corporation, which blurs the notion of what it means to be “private.” Legally, under established precedent, it does not, though a legal doctrine that as creations of the state through law corporations are bound by the same due process and equal protection rules that would affect all other state organs would be interesting, as would the corollary that foreign corporations, as creations of foreign states, are…

Post by pessimizer » Tue, Dec 20, 2022, 6:54 PM UTC

jerf wrote: post #40

mannykannot wrote: post #10

"A spokesperson for MSG reiterated in a statement that safety is their highest priority and that facial recognition is just one of the methods they use. MSG Entertainment also said it is confident their policy is in compliance with all applicable laws, including the New York State Liquor Authority." Why do spokespersons frequently speak in non-sequiturs? They simply underline the absence of any good argument. I hope…

Because it works. Human brains are fairly bad at detecting non sequiturs. Even with practice it is still hard, because the brain does not want to activate the expensive rational thought system unless there is a good reason. If you can get it to activate that expensive system, it is often then easy to see through, but that is a tall bar.

Post by tedunangst » Tue, Dec 20, 2022, 6:55 PM UTC

hnlmorg wrote: post #128

stickfigure wrote: post #97

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Who cares what technology they use? They could also check ids at the door and cross-reference their naughty list. Everything seems to involve an id check these days. Maybe there's some contractual issue here - they sold you a ticket, that establishes a contract, they're breaking the contract by denying you entry. They should have performed the naughty check earlier in the process? I think it's all pretty stupid but o…

Agreed. For me, the issue is that this restriction is upheld at point of entry and not point of sale. I get it’s a harder problem to restrict who tickets are sold to, but if a venue like that wants to get petty about who can attend their shows then the responsibility is on them to communicate that before the event. To flip this another way, in any other normal circumstance, when you get banned from a venue you’d get…

Post by josephcsible » Tue, Dec 20, 2022, 6:58 PM UTC

Post by ceejayoz » Tue, Dec 20, 2022, 6:59 PM UTC

tantalor wrote: post #207

gregors wrote: post #174

The reason why we have "protected status" is that people were banning people based on their racist/hate views. Those people used their 5 senses to easily target the people they hated for discrimination. Other variables (such as who you work for) well that's not easily found out...until now. AI is now allowing for new innovating hate and discrimination to drive decisions. What an absolute cluster. I don't envy the cou…

> used their 5 senses to easily target the people they hated No. Very easy to disprove: there are many examples of protected status that is not easy to tell just by looking at someone. 1. Race (esp. mixed race) 2. Religion 3. Pregnancy 4. National origin 5. Sexual orientation 6. Disability 7. Genetics