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Re: On Twitch, you can never log off

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Semaphor wrote: post #60
RJIb8RBYxzAMX9u wrote: post #50

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At her size, unless she needs to take ~weeks off per month, and more importantly, at unpredictable intervals, she can afford to stream fewer days. Too many of them are incorrectly assuming that they need to stream daily, when (e.g.) MWF will suffice. What many viewers value over long streaming hours is predictable streaming hours[*]. I've observed many promising streamers stream daily and for too long, burn out, then…

She doesn’t stream every day (and she has been doing it for 4 years by now), but the schedule is still hard when you are sick.

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Post by cableshaft »

emsixteen wrote: post #98
bakugo wrote: post #49

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> Every time I see articles talking about this subject, it's always completely focused on Twitch streamers that stream for a living. Because, for the most part, those are the only people affected by these problems. If you don't stream with the intent to maximize your viewer counts and profits at all costs - stream when you feel like it, play what you want, don't chase trends, don't encourage parasocial relationships…

But these people aren't excluded from numbers in these articles. 95% of people stream to 0 viewers, but do they even care?

I'm kind of one of those streamers (went into it more in my other comment).

While I would love to have a decent number of people following me (assuming I get back into the habit of doing it regularly), if no one does, it's really no big deal, I have a well-paying full-time job anyway, I don't need to earn a single cent from it.

Re: On Twitch, you can never log off

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Post by cableshaft »

wruza wrote: post #157

Technical note out of purely personal experience: platforms suck at managing subscriptions (ux-wise) when you’re a viewer, so I unsubscribe if there is no content for a while. I don’t do this for websites. I have hundreds of bookmarks which I reorganize a couple of times a year and may visit when I have nothing to do. But I never had hundreds of e.g. youtube subscriptions, because youtube ui just sucks. I cannot cate…

I concur. Twitch and Youtube subscription management is pretty garbage. I end up relying more on 'most current viewers' for my Twitch list than I'd like just because trying to manage it any other way is too much of a hassle.

Every once in a while I unsubscribe from a bunch of people I normally would stay subscribed to, just to pare that list down and make some of the lower viewer streamers (that I'm still interested in) more likely to show up in the list, but that's a crap way to do it.

Re: On Twitch, you can never log off

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Post by Semaphor »

oneoff786 wrote: post #210
Semaphor wrote: post #183

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At this point, I’m going to keep doing that even for streams I don’t mod, just because it seems to really annoy people ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

To be frank, I don’t find it annoying, I just see it as a form of delusion. Streamers are always doing this thing where they pretend to have big reactions to things and I’m surprised people buy into it. The whole subculture feels like people roleplaying how people communicate in cartoons and anime but it’s not apparent that everyone understands it’s neither real nor how things work.

That's pretty much big strangers and temporarily embarrassed big streamer behavior.

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Post by jkingsman »

urbanmiffs wrote: post #107
holler wrote: post #96

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> https://nobody.live Something about that name is hauntingly sad.

I didn't want to click on it. Feels so exploitative.

Yeah, I mean it's like saying watching a street performer is exploitative, I think -- people are streaming because they want to be seen ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Post by forsythe_ »

SilverBirch wrote: post #155

This whole thing is eurgh. Yes, this business is toxic for creators, but it's largely toxic for creators because it's monetizing a toxic product. Twitch is like a low cost off-ramp for having friends. The better, well adjusted version of twitch is that you log on to xbox, playstation or PC, hit up your friends and play some games and chat. That's the ideal. Then everything tumbles out from there, people without the t…

> Twitch is like a low cost off-ramp for having friends. The better, well adjusted version of twitch is that you log on to xbox, playstation or PC, hit up your friends and play some games and chat. That's the ideal. Then everything tumbles out from there, people without the time, social skills or inclination log on to twitch and form parasocial relationships instead.

Yeah, this is spot-on based on my experience.

I got into Twitch in the early days and have been a watcher and lurker for most of the past 10 years. The periods where I've been most content and fulfilled in life have easily correlated with spending less time on Twitch because those needs were being met in a healthier way.

On one hand I'm thankful to have discovered it because the faux-social fulfillment it provided when I've dealt with depression. It wasn't ideal but it was a good option in times where I didn't have energy to commit to real life relationships. OTOH, I wonder if ignoring Twitch altogether would have pushed me to get out and do the things that would have helped me climb out of the hole sooner.

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Post by rdtwo »

amrocha wrote: post #168
_carbyau_ wrote: post #44

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Yes and no. The problem is financial position seems to have trajectory. And with financial inequality widening all the time you don't want to be on the wrong side of the "middle" line if you can help it. For example: Less impressive house vs more impressive house with year on year compounding of % increase in value over 20 years. When the houses are both worth double what they were, the more impressive house has gain…

This kind of thinking is a big part of what's wrong with the world. Why do your kids deserve to have a house that they didn't work for? Inheritance tax should be 100% above like 1M

Because they won’t be able to earn it on their own. The class mobility window in the USA is really closing fast

Re: On Twitch, you can never log off

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Post by [deleted] »

emodendroket wrote: post #198
majewsky wrote: post #167

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My OBS recordings (of mostly game footage) come out to between 1 and 1.5 GiB/hour for 1080p resolution. Given that simple external HDDs start at about 20€ for 500 GiB, that comes out to 6 cents of storage per hour recorded. Your power bill for the gaming PC is going to be higher than that in some places.

OK, so we’ve established that it is possible to do it another way if you want. But why get an external hard drive if you’re happy with Twitch VODs?

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Re: On Twitch, you can never log off

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SilverBirch wrote: post #190
warent wrote: post #187

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it seems many people read way too far into this with a distorted "back in my day!" mentality. I watch twitch nearly every day and subscribe to (pay) a couple of streamers. You know what I don't watch? TV. Cable, satellite, or otherwise. This is simply modern entertainment. Streamers are professional entertainers. As for the people who seem to have a parasocial relationship--none of this is new. In my childhood I had…

The amount of MacGuyver content you got over the original 7 year run is about the same amount of content that a popular Twitch Streamer will put out in about 7 weeks. And MacGyver won't read your comment in chat and respond to you. It's a vastly different situation. Not least because in 1985 when the original Macguyver came out the entire television viewing population of the US were watching a handful of networks. No…

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