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Re: A fake job offer gone wrong

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Post by rblatz » Sat, Dec 10, 2022, 12:57 PM UTC

maximus-decimus wrote: post #117

nigamanth wrote: post #17

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Well, yeah there are professionals who don't have English as their first language, but I mean making a mistake in the most basic punctuation marks? Sure if he doesn't know the difference between "it's" and "its" then it's fine, but if he doesn't know how to properly use commas in a sentence then one must question his professionality. Additionally, there was no way he couldn't have had access to automation.com

As a non native speaker, I find it wild you think it's vs its is harder than punctuation. If somebody can't tell its from it's then they don't know what a verb is, which seems like a much more basic concept than punctuation to me.

It’s super common, native speakers learned verbally then later learned written English and the parts of language.

Re: A fake job offer gone wrong

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Post by civopsec » Sat, Dec 10, 2022, 1:00 PM UTC

vanviegen wrote: post #130

maximus-decimus wrote: post #110

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You're relying on the idea that all foreign governments care about their citizens scamming Americans. And it literally takes only one government that doesn't care (or isn't able to enforce for whatever reason) for your strategy to be impossible.

I'm sure the US government could think of one or two things to put enough pressure on such countries, if it cared to do that.

He said wistfully.

Re: A fake job offer gone wrong

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Post by daniel-cussen » Sat, Dec 10, 2022, 1:01 PM UTC

ISO-morphism wrote: post #129

zorrolovsky wrote: post #103

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This post seem to blame victims for the problem, and that is not fair. People can be in dark places mentally, struggle with disease, family issues, etc. Not everybody is mentally sharp 100% of the time to identify a scam attack and fight it back. The problem is not victims, the problem is scammers. There should be better mechanisms to quickly clamp down on them. In this case, it would be really good if there was a me…

> This post seem to blame victims for the problem, and that is not fair. Indeed, the scammers are the bad guys. At the same time, what about people that still fall for Nigerian princes or go through their spam folder for "sex in your area" or "penis enlargement pills"? > ...verified it would gather information from Google, Dropbox sign, the bank receiving the funds... While I agree that our banking system should evol…

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Re: A fake job offer gone wrong

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Post by shkkmo » Sat, Dec 10, 2022, 1:01 PM UTC

P5fRxh5kUvp2th wrote: post #169

rippercushions wrote: post #61

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The McDonalds manager story in question: https://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=3688563&page=1 Which would be completely unbelievable if there wasn't security footage of the whole thing!

jfc, that manager should be criminally culpable.

If by "criminally culpable" you mean "awarded over a million dollars", then that is exactly what happened.

> Summers also sued McDonald's and was awarded $1 million in punitive damages and $100,000 in compensatory damages.

Re: A fake job offer gone wrong

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Post by sltkr » Sat, Dec 10, 2022, 1:03 PM UTC

somrand0 wrote: post #189

zorrolovsky wrote: post #103

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This post seem to blame victims for the problem, and that is not fair. People can be in dark places mentally, struggle with disease, family issues, etc. Not everybody is mentally sharp 100% of the time to identify a scam attack and fight it back. The problem is not victims, the problem is scammers. There should be better mechanisms to quickly clamp down on them. In this case, it would be really good if there was a me…

> The problem is not victims, the problem is scammers but the solution isn't on the scammers side only, there are a series of circumstances on both sides involved that cause these things to happen. if people weren't desperate for money, running out of alternatives, they wouldn't need to perpetrate these crimes, nor would they fall for them as often.

> if people weren't desperate for money, running out of alternatives, they wouldn't need to perpetrate these crimes, nor would they fall for them as often.

It's naive to think only the destitute perpetrate or fall victim to scams. By that logic, people like Bernie Maddoff or (allegedly) Sam Bankman-Fried wouldn't exist.

Re: A fake job offer gone wrong

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Post by dwighttk » Sat, Dec 10, 2022, 1:06 PM UTC

the_gipsy wrote: post #147

ryandrake wrote: post #48

Great job figuring out it was a scam but honestly, it’s crazy that these things still work on anyone all the way in 2022. You would think that by now every human being that walks the earth would know that whenever someone you don’t know sends you “money” and then requests you send it back (or to another party) in a different form, it’s always a scam. There should be some ceremony whenever someone turns 16 or somethin…

What amazes me is that americans still use cheques, that aren't "cleared" up to a week or so. That's ridiculous.

this one was delayed because it was sketchy. I deposited a check using my bank's app last night after my bank closed and it cleared in about 20 minutes.

Re: A fake job offer gone wrong

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Post by sakarisson » Sat, Dec 10, 2022, 1:12 PM UTC

ISO-morphism wrote: post #129

zorrolovsky wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This post seem to blame victims for the problem, and that is not fair. People can be in dark places mentally, struggle with disease, family issues, etc. Not everybody is mentally sharp 100% of the time to identify a scam attack and fight it back. The problem is not victims, the problem is scammers. There should be better mechanisms to quickly clamp down on them. In this case, it would be really good if there was a me…

> This post seem to blame victims for the problem, and that is not fair. Indeed, the scammers are the bad guys. At the same time, what about people that still fall for Nigerian princes or go through their spam folder for "sex in your area" or "penis enlargement pills"? > ...verified it would gather information from Google, Dropbox sign, the bank receiving the funds... While I agree that our banking system should evol…

> At the same time, what about people that still fall for Nigerian princes or go through their spam folder for "sex in your area" or "penis enlargement pills"?

Those people are also victims.

Re: A fake job offer gone wrong

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Post by 752963e64 » Sat, Dec 10, 2022, 1:16 PM UTC

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Re: A fake job offer gone wrong

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Post by avianlyric » Sat, Dec 10, 2022, 1:18 PM UTC

alanfranz wrote: post #136

zorrolovsky wrote: post #103

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This post seem to blame victims for the problem, and that is not fair. People can be in dark places mentally, struggle with disease, family issues, etc. Not everybody is mentally sharp 100% of the time to identify a scam attack and fight it back. The problem is not victims, the problem is scammers. There should be better mechanisms to quickly clamp down on them. In this case, it would be really good if there was a me…

^ this. I was scammed about EUR 1500 some 7 years ago. It didn’t seem a scam: the price for an item was low but not too low, the identity of the seller I could verify. But the item ultimately didn’t arrive, and I didn’t know that for italian law it’s considered an “unfulfilled contract” rather than fraud, and requires a civil rather than a criminal case, which would turn out far too costly. But the point is: I didn’t…

As a general rule convicting someone of fraud requires you somehow prove their state of mind. A person must set out to deliberately defraud someone for it to be considered fraud.

Of course proving a persons state of mind is extremely difficult. As a consequence it’s unlikely that police or prosecutors are going to take an interest in fraud that only involves small sums of money (less than a few million $).

However proving that a contract is unfulfilled is pretty trivial, and generally cut-and-dry. But failure to fulfil a contract obviously isn’t a criminal offence, so your only option is to file a civil suite. Thankfully most countries have small claims courts that cheap and very accessible, but with limits on how much you can claim. Just because the amount of money you’ve lost is above the small claims court amount, doesn’t prevent you from suing of an amount within the purview of a small claims court.

Beyond that, use a credit card. If credit card networks have provided any value in this world, it’s in the form of generally consumer friendly chargeback processes. It’s in there interest to make sure that people feel safe using their credit cards to buy stuff, more purchases means more transaction fees for them.

Re: A fake job offer gone wrong

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Post by tgsovlerkhgsel » Sat, Dec 10, 2022, 1:25 PM UTC

biztos wrote: post #115

zorrolovsky wrote: post #103

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This post seem to blame victims for the problem, and that is not fair. People can be in dark places mentally, struggle with disease, family issues, etc. Not everybody is mentally sharp 100% of the time to identify a scam attack and fight it back. The problem is not victims, the problem is scammers. There should be better mechanisms to quickly clamp down on them. In this case, it would be really good if there was a me…

I consider myself pretty quick to detect scams, having worked in cybersecurity, though probably no quicker than the average HN commenter. And yet 15 years ago I fell for the “sell products that are no longer available” scam. There was a keyboard I really wanted but it was no longer being made. However, I found an online shop that had them in stock! I ordered, paid, got my confirmation, and waited about two weeks befo…

How did you pay? Did you let it go because "only $100"? Because if you paid by a non-sketchy method (paypal or credit card) the chargeback should be straightforward.