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FTX’s ownership of a U.S. bank raises questions

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I looked into this. They used to do business as Geniome Bank, and their job ads are for "crypto and marijuana". Almost no publicity, though they sponsored a few marijuana events. Chalopin usually shies away from press, so his personal involvement is odd. His son is also the chief digital officer of the company. Another curiosity is the old Farmington team is still there, including the presdient, and they still appear…

> "Geniome" is the trademark of a UK based company also owned by Deltec/Chalopin: IFSG. So, Chalopin has an unusal degree of personal involvement here. And Deltec is a centerpiece behind the tether (USDT)/Bitfinex scam. People who actually described the Alameda/FTX ponzi scam for what it was since day one have always said it: Alameda/FTX is just a front set up by tether/Bitfinex, made to precisely hide more market ma…

>FTX was, conveniently, a few streets away from Deltec in the Bahamas.

Nassau is not very big, it's hardly surprising that two big companies working in finance would be close to each other.

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I’m still baffled that this kind of corruption isn’t frowned upon more. People are buying influence. How is that supposed to be OK or normal?

I think it’s frowned upon by many. It’s extremely challenging to address since Citizens United made it legal, and the courts have chipped away at efforts to make it more transparent. I’m absolutely unhappy with the result. We legalized bribery and rank corruption. It’s awful for the system. What do you think it’s not frowned upon?

To answer your last question: I'm not American, but I read a fair bit of US politics on places like HN. Whenever companies bribing US politicians is mentioned, it's done in a matter-of-fact way using extreme euphemisms. I don't just mean by the people involved, I mean by everybody, all the way down to regular nobodies discussing politics on the internet.

I very seldomly read stuff like "FTX bribed both the democrats and the republicans". People write stuff like "this practice of supporting “both sides” is a very common, by-the-book strategy". I mean, "supporting", really? "by-the-book"? That doesn't sound very frowned-upon-y to me. That sounds like y'all think this stuff is as normal as the air we breathe.

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I think it’s frowned upon by many. It’s extremely challenging to address since Citizens United made it legal, and the courts have chipped away at efforts to make it more transparent. I’m absolutely unhappy with the result. We legalized bribery and rank corruption. It’s awful for the system. What do you think it’s not frowned upon?

To answer your last question: I'm not American, but I read a fair bit of US politics on places like HN. Whenever companies bribing US politicians is mentioned, it's done in a matter-of-fact way using extreme euphemisms. I don't just mean by the people involved, I mean by everybody, all the way down to regular nobodies discussing politics on the internet. I very seldomly read stuff like "FTX bribed both the democrats…

These aren't bribes. This isn't corruption either.

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To answer your last question: I'm not American, but I read a fair bit of US politics on places like HN. Whenever companies bribing US politicians is mentioned, it's done in a matter-of-fact way using extreme euphemisms. I don't just mean by the people involved, I mean by everybody, all the way down to regular nobodies discussing politics on the internet. I very seldomly read stuff like "FTX bribed both the democrats…

These aren't bribes. This isn't corruption either.

I don't understand that. What's the difference between "bribing" and "buying influence"? Is it about the time difference between when you give a politician money and when you expect something back?

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I looked into this. They used to do business as Geniome Bank, and their job ads are for "crypto and marijuana". Almost no publicity, though they sponsored a few marijuana events. Chalopin usually shies away from press, so his personal involvement is odd. His son is also the chief digital officer of the company. Another curiosity is the old Farmington team is still there, including the presdient, and they still appear…

Deltec sent most of USDT ever created to Alameda Research: https://protos.com/tether-papers-crypto-stablecoin-usdt-inve...

This is a conspiracy !!

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I'm not really familiar with the US constitution, but doesn't the 1st Amendment only protect speech, petition and assembly? Is there some part I'm missing or did a court classify campaign donations as speech?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_United_v._FEC

Ah thanks, that's what I was missing. Such a mindboggling decision.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_United_v._FEC

Ah thanks, that's what I was missing. Such a mindboggling decision.

If you actually read the decision, there's nothing mind boggling about it. It is consistent with the US Constitution, and with Supreme Court precedents. The result of that decision has been terrible, but we can only reliably fix it through the defined constitutional amendment process.

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Money matter in campaign. Politicians accepting these have massive advantage over those who don't- so they end up more winning.

In my opinion, this is the voters fault. Read up on the candidates, talk to other voters, if the candidate's ad is all fluff and no substance, don't vote for them. STOP believing non-journalistic cable TV channels who only profit from eyeballs and not the facts.

Advertising is very effective. There's no point in blaming people for it, especially since they are the victims in this scenario.

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> They are not letting me speak. Please don't take this personally, but I generally have no interest in watching random people speak. They know their audience. On the other hand, if they could secure an interview with Adolf Hitler himself, I would watch. Interest does not mean endorsement.

> Interest does not mean endorsement. That does depend on how you introduce him and what questions you ask. It does matter on whether when he says lies about Jews for example in that interview, you let them stand unopposed. If you use positive or euphemisms ridden introduction, then you are endorsing actually. "The next speaker is smart awesome guy who has extensive experience in leading a crypto fund". > if they cou…

Since the event hasn't happened yet, you have no idea how they are going to treat SBF.

And... I have watched a few of Hitler's speeches? And somehow I'm still not a Nazi. Nor have I, to my knowledge, promoted genocide.

Give humans more credit. They're not stupid.

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He's being interviewed by Sorkin so even if FTX hadn't crashed, it would have been as interesting* and enlightening as SBF's interview with Levine. It will be even better now, and I will enjoy reading the transcript. * TBH my only interest in the whole things is Schadenfreude, like checking out a car crash in the street. The sector is so tiny that even if FTX brings the whole thing down it'll be a largely invisible r…

Who's Sorkin?

andrew ross sorkin
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